Article-Smaller airlines' pilots have less ex
02-15-2009, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by andy171773
I don't think there are any/many 10 year FOs at American
02-15-2009, 02:28 PM
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First of all, I think all the american guys on furlough were all TWA. Second of all, there are not any pilots at American with 1-4 years of expierence because they haven't hired since the 90's. Third of all, if the regionals paid more than the majors the regionals would have the most expierenced pilots, cause nobody would leave. Without saying anything about the colgan crew, if the pax want more expierence maybe they should only fly on airlines that pay thier pilots well.
02-15-2009, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ebl14
First of all, I think all the american guys on furlough were all TWA. Second of all, there are not any pilots at American with 1-4 years of expierence because they haven't hired since the 90's. Third of all, if the regionals paid more than the majors the regionals would have the most expierenced pilots, cause nobody would leave. Without saying anything about the colgan crew, if the pax want more expierence maybe they should only fly on airlines that pay thier pilots well.
1. There are lots and lots of 10+ year FOs at AA. It takes a lot longer than that to make Captain. AA has a VERY stagnant crew force with very little upward movement. There are still 1900+ AA pilots on furlough.
2. Not all AA furloughees were ex-TWA. About 1000 were "native" AA. There are FOs at AA that have been on furlough for 7 1/2 years now, with no end in sight for another 4-5 years due to new age 65 rule.
3. AA was hiring until management stopped classes in Sep 2003 and started furloughing.
4. A 10 year 737 FO makes about $99k a year flying a 75 hour month. A 12 yr 777 FO makes about $125k flying a 75 hour month.
IMHO, the flying public doesn't give half a hoot about the experience level in the cockpit, only the price of the ticket.
Last edited by Wheels up; 02-15-2009 at 03:04 PM.
Someone missed my point, oh wait everyone missed my point.
02-15-2009, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
I know what you are saying and in your current state of mind(knowing these folks who perished), I can see your point. I do however think this article was less about scaring people and more about educating them. There were quite a few positive things said as well also pointing out reasonable estimates on our payscales. I'm sure a 10 year FO at American would feel differently, the average $138k was a little far fetched. I am sure they are lumping capt's with fo's. Anyhow, take time to breathe for yourself. You're spending a lot of time on here based on your posts. Get together with some friends talk about these wonderful people who are no longer with us. My best to everyone.
Yeah I've been posting a lot. It makes me feel better. Been talking to a lot of friends/family/coworkers as well. Thank you for your concern though
02-16-2009, 04:20 AM
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The difference?
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-President Abraham Lincoln
I have flown with the gamut in part 121 pilots, from the 30, 000 hour old crusties to the 300 hour wonders.
The difference?
29, 700 more opportunities to make mistakes and learn from them...
02-16-2009, 04:35 AM
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He seems shocked that the Colgan crew had not spent decades with the airline. Does he forget that everbody has to start somewhere? We can't all show up with 25yrs of experience and 20,000hrs ready to go, unfortunately.
02-16-2009, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by etflies
He seems shocked that the Colgan crew had not spent decades with the airline. Does he forget that everbody has to start somewhere? We can't all show up with 25yrs of experience and 20,000hrs ready to go, unfortunately.
Oh, then they get in their cars and smoke, talk on the cell phone, cut people off, and generally endanger themselves, other drivers, and pedestrians. But that's OK, because cars good. Airplanes bad.
02-16-2009, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by EmbraerFlyer
Horizon is a small airline, mainly by choice. However, the average captain at Horizon has more years in the industry than most captains and FO's a the majors.
That said, I know there are many highly experienced pilots at the regionals.
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