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texaspilot76 02-21-2009 07:28 AM

I disagree with the article in the way they paint a turboprop as dangerous just because it's a turboprop. However, I do agree about the pneumatic boots being a problem. They are old technology and not near as effective as a hot wing. All modern turbine aircraft should have a hot wing anti ice system.

DMEarc 02-21-2009 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 564086)
I disagree with the article in the way they paint a turboprop as dangerous just because it's a turboprop. However, I do agree about the pneumatic boots being a problem. They are old technology and not near as effective as a hot wing. All modern turbine aircraft should have a hot wing anti ice system.

Turboprops can't use bleed air. There's just not enough of it.

Who knows, maybe this accident wasn't attributed to icing at all. If that is so, then this article means nothing.

JoeyMeatballs 02-21-2009 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 564092)
Turboprops can't use bleed air. There's just not enough of it.

Who knows, maybe this accident wasn't attributed to icing at all. If that is so, then this article means nothing.

DME, have'nt seen you on here in a while, hows it going?

also, looks like there is more to this than icing :(

texaspilot76 02-21-2009 07:46 AM

SAAB, what are you doing eating people's faces in CT? ;)

HerkFCC 02-21-2009 07:57 AM

I, myself love my big turboprop.

This lawyer guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Those of us who know better know the real deal, i.e: pilots and other folks who know a bit about airplanes. Bombardier may just need to come up with something different on the Q's involving the boots.

JoeyMeatballs 02-21-2009 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 564099)
SAAB, what are you doing eating people's faces in CT? ;)

haha, you believe that.............I don't know what people expect from a WILD Animal............

I would do the same if they drugged me and kept me in Diapers

flyergurl 02-21-2009 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 564092)
Turboprops can't use bleed air. There's just not enough of it.

Who knows, maybe this accident wasn't attributed to icing at all. If that is so, then this article means nothing.

There is an exception to every rule - check out the Piaggio Avanti...:o

Splanky 02-21-2009 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 564092)
Turboprops can't use bleed air. There's just not enough of it.

Who knows, maybe this accident wasn't attributed to icing at all. If that is so, then this article means nothing.

I would think the Q400 might be able to. In ground school they mentioned the base engine can produce 8,000+ horsepower. In this application they are using a little over 4,000 for normal operations. I would think there would some extra here. Though with the Q400 I wonder what it would do to common type rating to change the system. The plane could have probably been made better had the common type not been such a huge concern (ironic considering I don't know of any U.S. carriers that have pilots fly the Q400 and another type of Dash 8).

HerkFCC 02-23-2009 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Splanky (Post 564253)
I would think the Q400 might be able to. In ground school they mentioned the base engine can produce 8,000+ horsepower. In this application they are using a little over 4,000 for normal operations. I would think there would some extra here. Though with the Q400 I wonder what it would do to common type rating to change the system. The plane could have probably been made better had the common type not been such a huge concern (ironic considering I don't know of any U.S. carriers that have pilots fly the Q400 and another type of Dash 8).


The mighty Herk is rated at 3755 shp per engine with max torque of 19,600 inch pounds for all 4 engines--18,000 max continuous, with bleed air coming off the 5th and 10th stage bleed air from the compressor, 600 degrees F at 250 psi. If the Q can crank out 8K hp then there should be enough to work out something. But design limitations could be a deciding factor also.

Dougdrvr 02-23-2009 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by HerkFCC (Post 565374)
The mighty Herk is rated at 3755 shp per engine with max torque of 19,600 inch pounds for all 4 engines--18,000 max continuous, with bleed air coming off the 5th and 10th stage bleed air from the compressor, 600 degrees F at 250 psi. If the Q can crank out 8K hp then there should be enough to work out something. But design limitations could be a deciding factor also.


Number dropper :)


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