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ToiletDuck 02-20-2009 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by Enginerd (Post 563151)

So regardless of when/where I was on a Q (or another Bombardier), my point is that the discussions of the incident here are helpful, especially to the laymen, because there is a void of good information in the media (as you have all discussed).

No offense but I don't think anyone here wants the liability of being your information source, or that of anyone else for that matter. This is "Airline Pilot Central". These are the "Airline Pilot Forums". We come here to speak with one another about issues we find pressing amongst our profession. I don't think anyone wants to have to deliberate 4 times before saying anything due to fear of how someone in civil land will interpret what we say. Something that's a well understood joke between us might come off is callous, dangerous, etc to the unknowing and undeserving eyes of the public. If you want news then turn on CNN of Fox. Our companies have HR spokesmen for a reason and that's because of how wrong the public can twist everything.

frieswiththat 02-20-2009 10:31 AM

Duck, you're right and that's is a good comment.

I was recluctant to respond to this thread, but it touched a nerve with me. Reason being... I used to be an F/O on the Q400 at Colgan, for about a year. It was a great experience and I would not trade it for anything.

I thought about maybe it should have been me in that right seat instead of Rebecca Shaw. I needed to call a counselor yesterday because it bothered the heck out of me.

Enginerd 02-20-2009 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 563564)
No offense but I don't think anyone here wants the liability of being your information source, or that of anyone else for that matter. This is "Airline Pilot Central". These are the "Airline Pilot Forums". We come here to speak with one another about issues we find pressing amongst our profession. I don't think anyone wants to have to deliberate 4 times before saying anything due to fear of how someone in civil land will interpret what we say. Something that's a well understood joke between us might come off is callous, dangerous, etc to the unknowing and undeserving eyes of the public. If you want news then turn on CNN of Fox. Our companies have HR spokesmen for a reason and that's because of how wrong the public can twist everything.

Understood. But for the final time, I haven’t asked any questions nor solicited anyone here, in any form, for information regarding this incident (or any other for that matter).

Again, my only point was to say that not all of the lurkers have intentions other than to further their personal understanding of what could have possibly transpired that night. Mainly, again, because there is very little mentioned about this incident from media sources, just like the ones you mentioned, CNN/Fox/etc...

If my saying that the ongoing respectful discussion of this incident among those that can truly relate (i.e. pilots/you, not journalists), provides useful information for the average person like me, and this is offensive to you/anyone else, I sincerely apologize (holy run-on sentence :eek:, but I think you get my point).

This is my final post, I will delete my account; I don't have anything useful to add to your forum. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone or ruffle any feathers…if I did, again, my apologies.

Take care all.

FXDX 02-20-2009 12:06 PM

Nerd: No need to go away. Guys are upset and edgy right now. Your point is well taken. I think you should be free to peruse the site and gather info on what pilots are thinking and saying. Its still a free country. Don't take this stuff personally.

Thanks.

FlyJSH 02-20-2009 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Enginerd (Post 563657)
Mainly, again, because there is very little mentioned about this incident from media sources, just like the ones you mentioned, CNN/Fox/etc...

Perhaps there are no new reports because there is no new information.

Or maybe it just isn't as interesting as a pet chimp that rips a woman's face off, JonBenet Ramsey, or Lorena Bobbit.

UnlimitedAkro 02-20-2009 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Enginerd (Post 563657)
Again, my only point was to say that not all of the lurkers have intentions other than to further their personal understanding of what could have possibly transpired that night. Mainly, again, because there is very little mentioned about this incident from media sources, just like the ones you mentioned, CNN/Fox/etc...

Once the NTSB report comes out, it will tell you the facts of what happened.

It is clear the media can not responsibly report on aviation accidents after the Colgan accident. I have heard more unrealistic garbage on the news than facts. One CNN meteorologist was even saying carb. icing could have caused the plane to crash. News used to be news, but now it has put entertainment before facts. If you want the facts, wait for the NTSB to come out.

de727ups 02-20-2009 02:06 PM

"This is my final post, I will delete my account; I don't have anything useful to add to your forum. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone or ruffle any feathers…if I did, again, my apologies."

It should be obvious to anyone paying attention that we don't restrict the site to just pilots. Anyone with an interest in aviation is welcome to post. Especially if a ones spouse is a Colgan pilot, for pete's sake...

We have many non-pilot users here that contribute in a positive manner, even a mod who is an attorney. Besides, nerd, there is no provision in the software for you to delete your account...hehe....

TPROP4ever 02-20-2009 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by de727ups (Post 563744)
"This is my final post, I will delete my account; I don't have anything useful to add to your forum. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone or ruffle any feathers…if I did, again, my apologies."

It should be obvious to anyone paying attention that we don't restrict the site to just pilots. Anyone with an interest in aviation is welcome to post. Especially if a ones spouse is a Colgan pilot, for pete's sake...

We have many non-pilot users here that contribute in a positive manner, even a mod who is an attorney. Besides, nerd, there is no provision in the software for you to delete your account...hehe....

Yeah so your stuck with us think of us as one big disfunctional family....:D

Enginerd 02-20-2009 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by de727ups (Post 563744)
"This is my final post, I will delete my account; I don't have anything useful to add to your forum. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone or ruffle any feathers…if I did, again, my apologies."

It should be obvious to anyone paying attention that we don't restrict the site to just pilots. Anyone with an interest in aviation is welcome to post. Especially if a ones spouse is a Colgan pilot, for pete's sake...

We have many non-pilot users here that contribute in a positive manner, even a mod who is an attorney. Besides, nerd, there is no provision in the software for you to delete your account...hehe....


Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 563759)
Yeah so your stuck with us think of us as one big disfunctional family....:D

LOL yup, fig'd that out after my last post :o. Ah well...one more member in the pile can only help ad revenue.

Thanks again guys.

Oh, and if non-pilots are welcome here, if anyone ever has any automotive related issues/questions/concerns, feel free to ask away...I'm an automotive engineer when I'm not on here pestering you folks :)

John Pennekamp 02-24-2009 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 563555)
So what you're saying is we need a forum for pilots that is meant to only be accessed by pilots. Possibly even taking it a step further such as dividing groups up to categories like Regional or Mainline so those respective pilots could speak freely in those areas.... Brilliant!!!!

Seriously unless we want to start making your license number a requirement to join where can we go that's "safe" from the public?

So we can't talk about the UFOs and the secret reason why airlines are actually delayed now?

Actually there are forums that do just that. *************.com

You must sign up with your real name and pilot license number. Yes, they check. You must also have an account to lurk. It eliminates 99% of the B.S. you see in places like this and like FI.


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