Be Careful What You Say...
 

There seems to be a sharp increase in the number of non-pilots or industry folk posting on this board recently. While some are merely trying to say thank you, be careful of the sheeps and the wolves. We all know that there are folks out there who will use any opportunity to spin and misrepresent any statement they can get in either the threads or PMs. HLSD gave the same warning in one of the Colgan threads but, I felt it may be appropriate to send this reminder to everyone. We have had the same issue with reporters fishing on our company site a few times so watch out!

Stay safe y'all

True that! I got a PM from a dude wanting info on the crew of 3407 to "clear their names".

This is a public forum and everyone can read what is said here :) keep it professional and keep it clean

"clear their names" yeah right, what a scumbag. They will say anything and use any tactic to get you to spill your guts. In case you can't tell I hate reporters.

LOL, yeah, I found it rather funny after I was done screaming at my computer cussing him out ... didn't get much done but it made me feel better :)

captain, please tell me you reported that username to the mods.

I am responsible for all those hard landings. You may quote me on the front page.

well I tried to even tell him not to bother me or anyone else anymore, and apparently he deleted his account rather quickly after me and The Juice gave him answers he didn't want... so I guess it won't be a problem anymore ... if I get another PM like that, I won't even try to respond, it'll go straight to the MODs

They make $25,000 a year to fly your mom home safely. Put that on the front page.

Or maybe they can do a story about all of those cool youtube videos filmed from the cockpits.

Just shoot me a PM and ill look into it and handle it if necessary.

And I am responsible for flights always being late.

Captain 152 is responsible for ground stops at LGA

There are things out there worse than reporters...plaintiff's attorneys.

Im responsible for pregnated F/A'ssssssssssssssssssss

I kid I kid

Will do, thanks. I'll keep that in mind for future reference. After it told me he didn't exist, I just deleted the message.

Wow, ground stops at LGA ... I dunno man, that's like an act of God ... dunno if I can take on that by myself, haha

STEP BACK, WE HAVE A WINNER!!! ;)

:) haha..........

and i'm responsible for all the hammered/difficult passengers :)

I am only here to lurk…I am not a pilot, nor do I have aspirations to be one (though it is a damn interesting living)…I am not a lawyer or w/any news agency…just a guy who used to live in Buffalo and is trying to learn all I can about what happened that night from people that have the experience and understanding of the circumstances…i.e., you, pilots (well maybe not ‘the’ circumstances from that night, we are all waiting on those).

I cannot get the info that I get here from a newspaper, CNN, etc., anywhere else…nor can I get some of the very interesting stories I’ve read in my brief time lurking here (thanks for the laughs…and gasps).

This one really hit home for me, like no other incident before; I have flown on the Q400 from Newark to Buffalo, in conditions just like that night, more times than I can count...possibly on that particular aircraft (though it has been about 3 yrs since I made that trip). One thing that has stuck with me is how large, quiet, yet comfortable that plane is for a prop aircraft. It is a great piece of equip for the people sitting in the back…but I digress.

I, for one, appreciate the respectful discussion of the incident and have learned a great deal here that I cannot get from the ridiculous animations and ten second sound bites on CNN/elsewhere (if they still happen to be talking about this and not some other story -dujour), nor can I go anywhere for factual interpretation of the data that has been released.

So I suppose this is a long-winded way of saying thank you. I certainly am enjoying what I can take away from your discussion(s) and already have a different outlook, and greater respect, for what goes on up front.

I have nothing else to add to this forum or discussion and will gladly go back to my corner and be quiet :), but wanted y’all to be aware that there are some civilians among you whom do sincerely appreciate the discussion, so long as it is conducted in the most respectful way possible (which it has been). Truly there is a great deal of professionalism and insight here, and I thank you for that.

Cheers and take care,
-Chris

Colgan did not have Q400's 3 years ago

He may be referring to XJT ATRs, I suppose. *shrugs*

Thank you very much Enginerd! Hopefully you'll be able to fly more often and be on one of our flights here on this board. Most (if not all pilots) always welcome passengers to the front after the flight to say thanks if they wish. I'm not sure any pilot would deny you the opportunity :)

Didn't know XJT flew ATRs 3 years ago ... or are you not talking about ExpressJet? That's just the way I've always seen their name abbreviated :)

The ATRs were well before my time with ExpressJet but I don't know any other big turboprop that would have done EWR-BUF before the Q400. Not sure when the last ATR left the property, but you're right, I'm positive it was more than 3 years ago. I have no idea. :D

Well, I think you're right, the only T-Prop operator up in the Northeast besides Colgan is Piedmont. And they fly the Dash 8-200 I believe. Though I'm almost positive they don't fly EWR-BUF. So, I dunno either :)

every once and awhile a 300 sneaks into lga and goes north

Thank you Dashdog. Exactly the type of post that is making me very suspicious lately. Hopefully we all get the message by now.

Stay Classy San Diego:cool:

stop dissing the guy for not getting his equp type right, he's not a pilot and I wouldnt expect him to know what t-prop he flew into BUF 3 years ago.

Just take the thank you post for what its worth, a thank you (and a point-in-case that we're not alone here...)

Perhaps it wasn't a Q or Bombardier on that leg (well y’all would know better than I, so apparently it wasn’t lol), but I’ve flown into Buffalo/Niagara so many times, from so many different cities, I could certainly be mistaken. The Newark/Buffalo trip is one that I did make more than few times and I’m 99% sure that it was most often on a prop aircraft, not a jet. Then again, I can’t remember what I ate for breakfast most days.

However I am 100% sure I have definitely been aboard a Q…specifically because the Bombardier name caught my eye on some paperwork in the seat pouch (in college I interned for a Bombardier supplier) and I remember the “ ‘Q’ is for quiet designation” somewhere as well, and thinking “hmmm, now that I think about it, this plane is quiet for having props”.

Also the plane seemed rather unique to me in its size/configuration (been flying for 20+ years and don’t think I’ve been on a larger prop plane)…oh, and new. I remember that well too…thinking about how nice it was compared to some of the other beer-fart saturated, greasy headrested, mystery carpet-stained, 30-something yr old aircraft out there…next time you’re walking down the aisle check that out – when the sun hits the seats just right you can see all the nasty head grease…that’s why I always wear a hat if I can. Think of the couch scene in the movie ‘Coming to America’ lol (hope someone gets the reference), but I digress yet again.

I am also very familiar with approach to Buffalo on those hazy/drizzly/foggy/wet snow low ceiling nights…would often be a bit startled to see how close we were to the ground when we finally broke through the clouds. I can vividly imagine the conditions that night for the passengers and crew, as I imagine anyone can who has flown in/out of Buffalo with any regular frequency. There are too many nights like that up there…one reason why I live in Vegas now.

So regardless of when/where I was on a Q (or another Bombardier), my point is that the discussions of the incident here are helpful, especially to the laymen, because there is a void of good information in the media (as you have all discussed). COuple that with lots of TV 'experts' and misinformation and it's agitating for 'those in the know'. I feel your pain - I’m in the automotive industry so you can imagine my disgust with the recent discussion regarding *ahem* ‘bailouts’ for the big 3.

So to that end, again thanks, I appreciate the insight and perspective…and I’m probably not alone. Though I do agree to be mindful that there’s prob a few lurkers here with other intentions. Remember to treat anything you post on the interwebs like an email!

Take care
-Cheers



PS - I understand the suspicion in light of recent posts (I've read them myself) no worries. Again my point is to let you know not all of us lurkers are malcontents. *flamesuit on*

Perhaps I am a pessimist and an a-hole, but the coincidence is a little too much. Why didn't we see the same reaction on the majors board when "Sully" put down in the Hudson? Seems that you would get much more of an outpouring for someone who saved 150 lives than when all are lost when a "commuter" plane goes down.

Sully's a god now, cant trash his name to sell da paps, just not a good headline:rolleyes:

Amen brother...

You're entitled to think whatever you want about my intentions here but I was able to get information regarding that situation even here in my cave, under the ocean.

In fact they had passengers on CNN the same day, in studio no less, giving first hand accounts.

I'm not asking any questions, I'm not looking for any info...just stating that the discussion is useful and informative. I'll gladly read into it elsewhere if you provide a link. The media has ADHD...not a word is mentioned anymore nor written anywhere, with the exception of the Buffalo News, but again, it's not like there's pilots working in their newsrooms.

Well actually, maybe I do have ONE question...come to think about it, while I have your attention, will turning my cell phone on in flight really cause us to get lost? ;)

*insert stickpoke smilie here*

You know the da-dit-da-dit buzzing sound you hear sometimes over a TV with bad reception? That's the sound your cell phone makes over our cockpit headphones while it tries to acquire a signal. It is an annoying distraction to the crew and a safety hazard. There are very few frivolous rules in aviation every single one of them are written to protect you the flying public.

or when you are near your computer speakers and you hear that buzzing seconds prior to your cell phone ringing. Why would anyone want to take a risk, sometimes rules/laws seem to make no sense, however during one of these events, we could possibly miss a radio call to "turn left immediately 270, climb and maintain 10000.

actually the NO CELL PHONE is not an FAA regulation, it is an FCC one..............

I won't tell you what it does to the aircraft. Get hired at an airline and let them tell you.

I will tell you we know when you turn them on and we know if you left them on.

The authorities can, thanks to the patriot act, find out who you are.

Y'all be careful...

One drink probably wouldn't cause us to "get lost" either, but I doubt my passengers want me to take that chance.

Being 50 FEET left or right of course is the difference between landing on the centerline and the ditch. So is your phone call so important that YOU want to take a chance?

Amen, I agree totally, holy batsuit batman, I think this is the first time that ImEbee and I agree on somthing...I kid...;) Just be careful guys and girls, being under the microscope is nothing new to our profession...

Yeah, and for some reason whenever we hear that The Capt always asks, Did you turn your phone off...lol. Its a pretty dead giveaway that someone in the back has one on. And this statment is true, missing a call could cause a serious problem if there were a traffic conflict, so please, if your in the back, follow the regs and just dont take the risk. Turn it off

Geez guys he never says it was a Colgan Q he flew on. For all you know it was a charter :D

way to read waay to far into a post!

Sort of...

The FAA forbids the use of electronic devices below 10,000 for safety reasons.

The FCC forbids the use of cell phones in flight (any altitude) because your phone will have good line-of-sight to multiple cell towers, and it confuses the cell system when it has to decide which cell tower you are nearest to. Then when it does figure it out, the aircraft speed over ground changes the geometry again.