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johnso29 02-27-2009 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Ohiocrjfo (Post 568373)
The price hasn't come down much at all for airlines... Many of them are still hedged at $100+ for a barrel of oil on 70% or more of thier fuel.


$140 a barrel for UAL & CAL!:eek:

LavChange 02-27-2009 12:57 PM

Give the American consumer, oh say, 2 more months and they'll be buying a particular airline ticket because its $2.00 cheaper, not because its one airplane or another.

Tiger2Flying 02-27-2009 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by LavChange (Post 568481)
Give the American consumer, oh say, 2 more months and they'll be buying a particular airline ticket because its $2.00 cheaper, not because its one airplane or another.

The general public has a little shorter attention span IMO and I see them going back to business as usual in just a few weeks.

stis202 02-27-2009 06:32 PM

It's funny. I happened to be browsing through ticket prices from CAL for MCO-MIA and I noticed they now added that this flight is a "non-jet" aircraft. I decided to check the EWR-BUF route. Don't know if it was like that before the accident or not but I found it interesting. The prices were $98 for a EWR-BUF round trip on the Q and around $390 for the same trip and similar time range for the ERJ.

145Driver 02-27-2009 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 568367)
Continental didn't ask RAH to fly 16 Q400s. They asked RAH if they wanted to BID on flying those airplanes. The same ones that were just awarded to Colgan. I believe Expressjet was offered a chance to bid on that flying as well. Neither company can do it cheaper than Colgan without operating at a loss. Therefore I believe neither even made an attempt.


This was also my understanding.

katana 02-27-2009 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by stis202 (Post 568669)
It's funny. I happened to be browsing through ticket prices from CAL for MCO-MIA and I noticed they now added that this flight is a "non-jet" aircraft. I decided to check the EWR-BUF route. Don't know if it was like that before the accident or not but I found it interesting. The prices were $98 for a EWR-BUF round trip on the Q and around $390 for the same trip and similar time range for the ERJ.

Thats insane! What are their plans with colgan? geez! give them a break. It would bring the memory back for some pax. Not a good idea.

MTOP 02-27-2009 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by buffalopilot (Post 568331)
I thought that in this economy and with oil the way it was, that props would return to regionals. Continental asked us at RAH to fly 16 Q 4's. But after the Colgan crash, passengers are avoiding them. I know several people rebooking their trips to get off the regional planes! Interesting.

ANy comments?

You claim "passengers are avoiding them." I see no evidence of that whatsoever. Can you quantify your statement?

Passengers have demonstrated that they will fly on anything if they can get a ticket $5 cheaper. They don't stop flying every transport airplane after it is involved in an accident.

newarkblows 02-28-2009 04:40 AM

Passengers in newark have been refusing to get on q400's... at least they were the week or two after. If you are ever there ask the customer service desk workers. They are told to change the ticket if an open seat is on a later flight and to offer a refund if they dont want to travel. I think most airlines do this for the weeks after a crash.

newarkblows 02-28-2009 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 568367)
Continental didn't ask RAH to fly 16 Q400s. They asked RAH if they wanted to BID on flying those airplanes. The same ones that were just awarded to Colgan. I believe Expressjet was offered a chance to bid on that flying as well. Neither company can do it cheaper than Colgan without operating at a loss. Therefore I believe neither even made an attempt.

colgan also had the slots for delivery of the q400's ANY other company would have had to wait 2-3+ yrs to get a delivery date. With CAL making little or no headway with the relaxation of scope they needed something in the meantime.

If a company like republic wanted to fly props for CAL i am pretty sure they would have just bought colgan. So much for Republics all 70+ seat jet fleet.

UCLAbruins 02-28-2009 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by buffalopilot (Post 568331)
Continental asked us at RAH to fly 16 Q 4's. But after the Colgan crash, passengers are avoiding them. I know several people rebooking their trips to get off the regional planes! Interesting.

ANy comments?

You don't know anybody rebooking their trip to get off regional planes.

I bet you most passengers don't even know that a Continental 737 and a Continental RJ belong to different companies... on the other hand when they see a Prop waiting for them, they make a face, maybe a smart a$$ coment, but that's that, they get on... People don't care about RJs, the don't like props, I know I flew for Allegheny Airlines. I remember Buffalo, 3 RJs and a Dash parked outside. Passengers would come and ask,

-"excuse me, which is the La Guardia flight",
-"that plane sir, that one facing this way" pointing to the Dash
-"damn, thank you"


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