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AWAC Updates
Hey, any of the active AWAC pilots have any new news or rumors on more recalls after the April block hours came out last week. We (the furloughee's) haven't heard anything and was curious to hear what everyones thoughts were. Also if there is any other rumors etc that are out there let me know...
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Things are pretty much status quo here. Our block hours for the next month show just a gradual increase over the previous. I can say, especially for FOs, that we can definitely use more pilots but I think one major hurdle is the fear that our hours will be reduced again in the fall forcing another furlough.
Believe me when I say that every single pilot here wants you guys back though. Hang in there! |
Yea i would be livid if I finally got back on property only to be furloughed once again..... that would be wrong on so many levels....
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Originally Posted by jeepcrawln
(Post 575438)
Yea i would be livid if I finally got back on property only to be furloughed once again..... that would be wrong on so many levels....
In talking with different captains, the consensus is that we are still getting used and abused and feel like we need more pilots back. Management pilots have been getting called from Toontown to fly 4-day trips, I would think that means we are short on pilots. |
"Denied due to lack of RSV coverage" that seems to be the norm. Sure all of us would love to see them keep recalling!
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yeah it amazes me that they can only have 4 FO's system wide on a weekend...im coming up on my thirr year here....and ive been approved for a drop ONCE!!!! Its always "Lack of Rsv Coverage" or "Maintain RSV Coverage".....idiots
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They could have 100 F/Os on reserve and they always say "lack of reserve coverage".
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Recalling 8 for June. Vacancy post shows possiblity for a few upgrades as well.
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As of June 1...
8 captain upgrades (for the ones who were downgraded) 8 more furlough recalls for a total of 25 F/O's recalled since March. |
How many are still out on furlough? Did any decline a recall?
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I know of 2 that have bypassed recall.
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One of the girls in scheduling told me that to get the initial recall they had 10 pilots bypass it.....so its at least that
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The latest captain bid should allow me to bid back to DCA. I might even be willing to take DCA RSV and bid ready reserve each month.
At least I'll be out of ORF. That commute sucks. BTW, my own whining here does not belittle the fact that we still have pilots on furlough and until they are all recalled, my own problems are trivial. Just to set the facts straight. But I still want out of ORF!! |
Were there something like 35 captain downgrades? I don't remember.
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the capt spots may or may not be taken by those who were downgraded. i know there are 10 f.o.'s who are senior to me and i'm a capt. some passed up the upgrade last year, they may or may not choose that way again. either way, we'll see how it all shakes out on monday (hopefully). there should be alot of movement in the capt ranks as there has been zero movement since september.
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If recalls continue to progress, will there be any hiring in the months to follow? I just would like to hear SOME good news for once :)
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I wouldn't expect any hiring for a while. There are still pilots on furlough and downgraded captains. And almost zero attrition.
The reason for the recalls has been the steady increase in flight hours assigned to AWAC by US Airways. This is a summer increase and it is not known if that will continue into the fall and next winter. The last thing anyone wants is to recall pilots and then re-furlough some of them. Hate to rain on anyone's parade, but that's reality. The fact that there have been some recalls and now some re-upgrades is good news. But it's very, very slow. |
The owners of AWAC want to purchase more aircraft (CRJ-700's or -900's) and expand the flying, but it's just not gonna happen when the economy is in the gutter and airlines are cutting back on their regional flying.
Just be patient, this isn't the first time there has been a widespread freeze on hiring of airline pilots. |
Originally Posted by el jefe
(Post 587162)
The owners of AWAC want to purchase more aircraft (CRJ-700's or -900's) and expand the flying, but it's just not gonna happen when the economy is in the gutter and airlines are cutting back on their regional flying.
Just be patient, this isn't the first time there has been a widespread freeze on hiring of airline pilots. Hope you are right! |
It's what we were told at the first recall RGS in Feb. They have -700 and -900 upgrade training programs ready to go once another airline goes tts up or we win an RFP.
Or maybe it was just the tasty Kool-aide? ;) |
Originally Posted by el jefe
(Post 587188)
It's what we were told at the first recall RGS in Feb. They have -700 and -900 upgrade training programs ready to go once another airline goes tts up or we win an RFP.
Or maybe it was just the tasty Kool-aide? ;) |
Originally Posted by el jefe
(Post 587162)
The owners of AWAC want to purchase more aircraft (CRJ-700's or -900's) and expand the flying, but it's just not gonna happen when the economy is in the gutter and airlines are cutting back on their regional flying.
The Amigos have had opportunities to expand flying. They've also had their chances in the past to get larger RJs, but they declined. Hell, there were rumors of a IAD base for United flying CR7s right until I left in Nov 07! For my good friends & colleagues still there I hope you are right...but past precedence has shown exactly ZERO desire to grow unless the contract is 1. long-term, 2. highly profitable, and 3. low-risk...and there haven't been many regional lift agreements the last 2-3 years fitting that mold. |
That is correct. They've had the -900 training program in place for years.
I think there is still a bid open with United for UAX flying as a contingency for a failed Mesa. But Mesa is still here and flying. Under the current leadership I also don't see any desire to do anything. The fact that JG is coming back to fly the line means to me that there is even less likelihood of anything. He was pretty important for the training and with his position gone I think any likelihood of something other than what we have is pretty low. Look at the fate of the last two airlines our CEO was involved with if you wish to see the future of AWAC. One of them is now flying 9 airplanes and may eventually go to be a paper airline with all lift contracted out. The other is now just a ground handling company. I think AWAC could easily end up as a ground handling company with the flying being done at some point. Stranger things have happened. |
Originally Posted by el jefe
(Post 587188)
Or maybe it was just the tasty Kool-aide? ;)
Sarcasm and doubt were implied with my last two posts. |
Originally Posted by el jefe
(Post 587343)
:rolleyes:
Sarcasm and doubt were implied with my last two posts. Isn't the first time for me to do that, and won't be the last :D |
I agree with Saab2000 here. There has not been any good news at this place in 5 yrs. Our last "new" plane arrived 5 yrs ago and I think we have a better chance of parking those planes.
The owners had their fun from 93-04 they are just counting our concessions and laughing the whole way to the bank. |
Originally Posted by saab2000
(Post 587313)
That is correct. They've had the -900 training program in place for years.
I think there is still a bid open with United for UAX flying as a contingency for a failed Mesa. But Mesa is still here and flying. Under the current leadership I also don't see any desire to do anything. The fact that JG is coming back to fly the line means to me that there is even less likelihood of anything. He was pretty important for the training and with his position gone I think any likelihood of something other than what we have is pretty low. Look at the fate of the last two airlines our CEO was involved with if you wish to see the future of AWAC. One of them is now flying 9 airplanes and may eventually go to be a paper airline with all lift contracted out. The other is now just a ground handling company. I think AWAC could easily end up as a ground handling company with the flying being done at some point. Stranger things have happened. Hate to say it but i agree ... especially after seeing there ground ops at work i'll give em a couple years to string out on that one... if that? Heck i couldn't care less about mainline united though if they haven't gotten it thus far...it's useless they might as well operate car washes. As for the flying, unless they take a risk and use some of that private backed capital to buy some airplanes it's hard to see a flying future. Yes AWAC ground ops would hire you back if you lost your flying im sure. jk |
Rankin made it very clear in his last visit to the bases that he does not want 700's.....he feels that in the grand scheme of things that they are a temporary solution to a permanent problem. Jim also said that he really likes Spirit's Business Model and wants to run AWAC like them....not really sure what thats means.
I dont think we are gonna see 900s until Airways flat out tells us that the 50 seaters will not work anymore....OR.....we buy another airline.....hey minus our very large staple gun you Mesa guys would love it here ;) |
Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
(Post 587473)
Rankin made it very clear in his last visit to the bases that he does not want 700's.....he feels that in the grand scheme of things that they are a temporary solution to a permanent problem. Jim also said that he really likes Spirit's Business Model and wants to run AWAC like them....not really sure what thats means.
I dont think we are gonna see 900s until Airways flat out tells us that the 50 seaters will not work anymore....OR.....we buy another airline.....hey minus our very large staple gun you Mesa guys would love it here ;) |
Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis
(Post 587475)
DOH with fences and you fire JO & Lotz and it's a deal.
lol it wouldnt be a merger....it would be an acquisition :p |
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