Delta rules out sale of regional carriers

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03-11-2009 | 01:18 PM

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Mesabah

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Originally Posted by JetFlyer06

I don't think we have any "90 seaters" on the property per se. Are you talking about CRJ-900 aircraft with 70-76 seats? Or ERJ-175s with 76 seats? Next up from that would be the DC9-30 with 100 seats. We can get an answer for you but please clarify which equipment you are referring to.

The CRJ900 is certified to 90 seats the E175 is to 88.

03-11-2009 | 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER

Two things to read into their statement on the RJs:

1. By maintaining 50% wholly owned to contracted carriers, the whipsaw will be alive and well for the indefinite future.

2. They couldn't sell any of the wholly owneds in this market because no one can raise the capital to buy any of them. That's why most if not all deliveries being made are actually older orders for which the financing was guaranteed. And you are right about the wholly owneds going to bear the brunt of the cutbacks as there is no contract for Delta to worry about with them.

All in all, I didn't think this was good in the long run for any DCI carriers. Short term, the wholly owneds have a reprieve. I guess that's good for them. Long term, this doesn't help anyone.

Hopefully if anyone it helps mainline.

03-11-2009 | 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozpilot414

Delta rules out sale of regional carriers: Delta Air Lines has no intention of selling its regional carriers, President Ed Bastian said Wednesday. With about 50% of regional traffic under corporate control, "It helps us drive cost targets with our own carriers, and gives us more flexibility to respond quickly to changes in demand," he said. Following its merger with Northwest Airlines, Delta owns three regional carriers: Comair, Mesaba and Compass.

Bastian could have saved ink if he had just had the gnads to say "whipsaw"

03-11-2009 | 02:42 PM

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Well, then it is settled! If Delta say the regionals are NOT for sale.........then they are all openly on the market, and ready for the taking!

03-11-2009 | 02:48 PM

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Republic has been used to break the union at Midwest.

Just a matter of time before Delta's regionals are called on to do the same thing.

03-11-2009 | 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

The CRJ900 is certified to 90 seats the E175 is to 88.

I realize that but my point is that at DAL there isn't an aircraft flying around with a total of 90 seats installed. They can operate with that many seats but are not configured as such.

03-11-2009 | 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenGoose

Republic has been used to break the union at Midwest.

Just a matter of time before Delta's regionals are called on to do the same thing.

I wouldn't go that far.........but that segment will be the largest area of domestic growth over the next 5-10 years just as the 50 seat RJ's were from 1995-2003 and the 70 seat RJ's were from 2003 to present.

It's a natural evolution, it's already started and virtually impossible to stop now. Each major will participate eventually in their own way as some are already now and other certain to follow.

A lot more heartburn on the way to add to the current nausea, gas and explosive diarrhea that is already underway at most mainline union groups.

I'm buying stock in Pepto-Bismols parent (P&G) tomorrow.

03-11-2009 | 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JetFlyer06

I realize that but my point is that at DAL there isn't an aircraft flying around with a total of 90 seats installed. They can operate with that many seats but are not configured as such.

But they CAN do it with 75-80 seats profitably and offer First-class. As long as that's possible, the flood gates will never be closed.........*burp*....*gurgle*....*pffffttt*.

Time for another shot of the pink juice.

03-11-2009 | 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenGoose

Republic has been used to break the union at Midwest.

Just a matter of time before Delta's regionals are called on to do the same thing.

You might be the GoldenGoose but your words are not quite right! You may want to research that topic before stupid comes out of your posts again.

03-11-2009 | 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Airsupport

hmmm. not sure if this is good or bad.

Bad...

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Originally Posted by Seattlecfi

They can keep the contract carriers at min contract, and use the wholly owned to pick up the slack, or cut back without violating contracts.

...and this is why.

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Originally Posted by powrful1

You might be the GoldenGoose but your words are not quite right! You may want to research that topic before stupid comes out of your posts again.

I'd focus on the last sentence. Midwest put replacement jets, literally, online and parked all their MD's + 16 (or all 25 now to Mexicana?) of the 717's.

I'm 0 for 2 with W/O carriers. When things are good, they help the margin a bunch. When times are bad, they are the ones that can get downsized, or shut down all together, quite easily.