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-   -   Mesa to Furlough 100 additional pilots (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/38500-mesa-furlough-100-additional-pilots.html)

DublinFlyer 03-25-2009 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by InvertedLoop (Post 584998)
No real suprise here. Company got Pbs, so know they can get rid of the extra pilots. The also had to wait for the guys that got displaced to get out of training before they could furlough any more.
Has nothing to do with PBS.

Originally Posted by hslightnin (Post 585079)
no. PBS changed to staffing model. Congrats you yes voters
See above. It has absolutely nothing to do with PBS. Don't try to blame this on us. In the fall, attrition was running approximately 4%. Given that number, no additional furloughs were needed, and I anticipated hiring again in the summer of 09. However, the number drastically dropped, and was NO WHERE NEAR 4%. I think we've had 4 people leave the company in the last month, and 2 were not pilots. I think a total of 12 people or so have left this year. That is the reason for the furloughs.

I too, initially thought this was due to PBS. But PBS is not even implemented yet, and after making some phone calls and finding out more info, I learned the above. If you have any questions, or want to know more info - please don't hesitate to PM me! I'm here to try to help. This is a very difficult time for all of us, and all I care about is the wellbeing of our folks.

DublinFlyer 03-25-2009 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by hslightnin (Post 585112)
on the senority list. Rosters go to 9/07 for a 100
its not looking good for good chunk of the dash drivers
No they don't. About 2/08 is where I see it.

onetogo 03-25-2009 07:18 PM
Is this purely seniority based, or does equipment have anything to do with it?

paxhauler85 03-25-2009 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by onetogo (Post 585134)
Is this purely seniority based, or does equipment have anything to do with it?
Should be seniority based, but I wouldn't put it past our trash management to try it, and our spineless/worthless union to nothing about it.

The guys could "grieve it" from furlough.

onetogo 03-25-2009 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 585139)
Should be seniority based, but I wouldn't put it past our trash management to try it, and our spineless/worthless union to nothing about it.

The guys could "grieve it" from furlough.
Thanks. Have a friend who recently moved from the CRJ to the ERJ at Mesa. Was just curious as to whether he could possibly be less likely to be furloughed (Summer '08 DOH) due to being on the ERJ.

tzadik 03-25-2009 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by DublinFlyer (Post 585113)
Has nothing to do with PBS.



See above. It has absolutely nothing to do with PBS. Don't try to blame this on us. In the fall, attrition was running approximately 4%. Given that number, no additional furloughs were needed, and I anticipated hiring again in the summer of 09. However, the number drastically dropped, and was NO WHERE NEAR 4%. I think we've had 4 people leave the company in the last month, and 2 were not pilots. I think a total of 12 people or so have left this year. That is the reason for the furloughs.

I too, initially thought this was due to PBS. But PBS is not even implemented yet, and after making some phone calls and finding out more info, I learned the above. If you have any questions, or want to know more info - please don't hesitate to PM me! I'm here to try to help. This is a very difficult time for all of us, and all I care about is the wellbeing of our folks.
dublinflyer, i have great affection for you and you live a very rich and interesting life, but you’re sounding like managment, a union bag man at the very least. you think its purely coincidental that this furlough coincides with the displacements finishing training almost to the day and the start of parallel bidding? if you’re sources happen to be wearing red P2P MEC lanyards than your judgment at this particular moment in time is not exactly state of the art.

RJSAviator76 03-25-2009 07:54 PM
Originally Posted by DublinFlyer (Post 585113)
Has nothing to do with PBS.



See above. It has absolutely nothing to do with PBS. Don't try to blame this on us. In the fall, attrition was running approximately 4%. Given that number, no additional furloughs were needed, and I anticipated hiring again in the summer of 09. However, the number drastically dropped, and was NO WHERE NEAR 4%. I think we've had 4 people leave the company in the last month, and 2 were not pilots. I think a total of 12 people or so have left this year. That is the reason for the furloughs.

I too, initially thought this was due to PBS. But PBS is not even implemented yet, and after making some phone calls and finding out more info, I learned the above. If you have any questions, or want to know more info - please don't hesitate to PM me! I'm here to try to help. This is a very difficult time for all of us, and all I care about is the wellbeing of our folks.
If you really think that PBS is not the reason for reduced staffing needs, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

PBS ALWAYS leads to reduced staffing, that's why airline managements absolutely love it.

hockeypilot44 03-25-2009 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 585161)
If you really think that PBS is not the reason for reduced staffing needs, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

PBS ALWAYS leads to reduced staffing, that's why airline managements absolutely love it.
That would be true. It used to be you could bid a schedule putting all your training, vacation, etc. over scheduled trips giving yourself lots of days off. With PBS, everything is pro-rated and you will always feel like you are getting shafted. If you work for a dishonest company, they will manipulate it forcing everyone to work how they see fit. They can force almost the entire company to work 18 days/month for the guarantee if your company does not have decent rigs. PBS is not a good thing. It's sad that some unions actually give up concessions to get PBS and view it as a win. PBS sucks.

SpiraMirabilis 03-25-2009 08:46 PM
PBS, anticipated settlement with Delta, reduction in hours... doesn't matter.

Ski Patrol 03-25-2009 09:39 PM
If you are senior... mesa is not so bad in the grand scheme of things.


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