I'm pretty sure he's a union guy, but some of his posts make him seem like he plays both sides of the fence (management and union).

I'm not so sure he doesn't wear a red lanyard himself...

No, my sources aren't P2P's, and they certainly aren't management. I'm just really concerned that this is going to further divide our pilot group (which is exactly what management wants). We'd have the no voters on one one side, pointing the finger at the yes voters, who will be on the other side trying to defend themselves.... all the while management continues to laugh and find ways to screw us again.

For me at least, I don't really care what caused the furloughs right now. I am more concerned with making sure those 100 pilots will be okay. Some have families, kids, etc. Rather than sit around and complain and play the blame game, I'd like to find a way to help those folks, and make sure this doesn't happen any more.

I think you're right. And I have been trying to remember that Brooklyn Bridge line for a while now. THANK YOU for saying it! haha!

No I don't wear a red lanyard, and no I don't have anything to do with management - I'm just a lowly f/o. :p

What is anyone gonna do for them ... hmm ? They gonna find them another job, make there student loan payments, car, family etc.? What did anyone do for the last 50 ... better yet what did you do? Actually and more importantly what did ALPA do, Anyone ... anyone? We live in a selfish world and hell even those on the "F" list are already counting the ways they could possibly avoid the street... don't be foolish people. You should care what caused the past/pending furloughs ... but caring would be asking alot of many.

Nothing personal just using your statement

Discuss ...

your right i just counted again.
100 active pilots is 1/16 hire.
The COO of Freedom Airlines is 17 from the bottom.
They havent been here long enough to have voted for this POS TA.

Okay but the thing I am confused about on the seniority list (which I'm looking at now) is the DOH. You see the COO of F8 is almost at the bottom, but look at his hire date of 2000. There are a few other pilots who have that too, whether they were doing another job within the company prior to being a pilot for MAG, I don't know. But, the company just can't pick and choose who they want to furlough right? They will have to furlough 100 people in order from the bottom of that list, and then they will have to retrain a bunch of them to spread out the staffing I suppose.

Ryan Gumm - a real piece of work. I'd be willing to bet he gets "furloughed" from line flying, but retains his COO position and salary all the while, staying current. He quit Mesa (or was fired), and came back, retaining his hire date (so he gets more vacay, etc.). I think he was an Freedom A-Lister as well.

There was a big stink recently about him flying the left seat on a charter or two. I guess his COO position and previous Mesa CA experience overrides that fact that he's one of the most junior pilots on property. These kinds of things happen when you've got ALPA on your side.

I thought he was an A-lister too, but he's not on my list. Oh well, I just added him with a question mark. Anyone know for sure?

He is not an A-lister...the rest of it; COO, charter, etc I don't know

p.s. My name is not Ryan Gumm:)

Sorry but this is a worthless defense. PBS doesn't start until next bid, and the furloughs dont begin until "April 7, 2009 and [will] continue through the fall of 2009."

A few weeks ago I had a chode-box CA try to tell me I was an idiot for voting no. I wanted to whip it out and [relieve myself] on his face. Is the mesa pilot group divided? Absolutely.

I actually agree with DublinFlyer that this is not Pbs related now that I look at this more closely. You can't just look at the roster for determining how far back this goes. There are people on leave and these numbers are incorrect. You have to look at the seniority list. From that it looks like it will go back to around 2/12/08 class, number 1307 on the list. Of those bottom 100, 35 are dash fo's. There are 64 pilots already on furlough from Mesa. Plus these 100 it will equal the approx. first 150 the company annouced back whenever September, and then the show generously cancelled because of Christmas. The only reason the cancelled these was because if they furloughed them guys there dash operation would have came to a hault. That's why they realized that they had to run this Displacement. Most of the classes are finished now, so they can continue with the furloughes. I beleive these 100 are not tied to PBS. That's why I believe in say June or July once the company figures the way to run pbs to get them the most bang for there buck you will see another furlough of even more pilots. So to you junior fo's in ORD and JFK hope you enjoy your block or better while it lasts, because you should have voted NO!