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Originally Posted by jeeps
(Post 587922)
By further limiting flying positions, you'll only create a greater surplus of pilots.
Yes, you will but that is a good thing because the remaining positions will go to those with the better resume at a higher wage.......as it was before. |
Originally Posted by jeeps
(Post 587922)
How are slave plantations an example of a "purely capitalist state"? What is this purer form of capitalism that leaders and captains of industry wish to move us towards? More government involvement or regulation would move us away from capitalism not closer to it.
I love how everyone on this site is so quick to bash or flame posters with differing views (attacking the messanger, not the actual message). Those who have posted above have every right to say what they've said and I respect that--whether I agree with the content or not. Presentation of ideas is one thing, but attacking one for their views personally and insulting intelligence is completely different. How is being conservative a bad thing? Some could say the same thing about being liberal, I don't think it's wise to criticize with such a broad stroke. I don't want to imply that I'm one or the other, but that's an assumption that can get people in trouble or very upset. Do posters here feel that pilots are entitled to a high-paying job? Regardless of the consequences? I wished we got payed more and treated better, but until pilots begin to quit because of it, wages aren't going to change. There's too much labor chasing after a limited number of positions, that works to the bean counter's advantage, not the pilot's. By further limiting flying positions, you'll only create a greater surplus of pilots. A doctor, lawyer or God forbid, a fund manager holds a life, freedom or a lt of folks retirements in their hands (yeah, I know, but I felt this way a long time before they fubar'd it). If a doctor screws up, insurance pays and he likely will not lose his license. A lawyer can screw up a case and lose your money or your freedom. The money guy...'nuff said. Not one of them is required to attend refresher courses that, if unsuccessfully completed, would cost them their license. They go merrily on, and many indeed DO feel "entitled." We, on the other hand...you know the drill. Six month medicals, EKG's, PC's, recurrents, line checks, Fed's, FAR busts...need I go on? Any of those can cost our license. We fly tubes full of people who have aggregate net worth's in the millions on a passenger flight, cargo ranging from McDonalds cups headed for Dubai to Ferrari's to military equipment for our guys and gals. We can't make a mistake. It's not allowed because the penalty is: "Mrs./Mr. ___, the plane crashed. Your husband/wife didn't make it. Sorry." We get pushed every day to keep the schedule. To "complete the mission." "So and so would fly with that broken." Again the list goes on. I am a professional. So are my fellow crewmembers. We do what we do because we have a big enough ego to put on the monkey suit and walk into that plane, look at the passengers and turn left, knowing we are the only SOB's on that bird that can get them all safely from Point A to Point B. And we're smart enough to leave that same ego outside the cockpit door and trade it for a healthy yellow streak that keeps us from being stupid once we close the door. So do I feel I am "entitled" to a high paying job? No. I feel I am entitled to be compensated for my years of experience, my knowledge and my professionalism that is all proven to be 100% dead on accurate and correct every time I put 800,000 pounds of of metal, fuel and freight or in a damn small box at high speed. I feel my fellow professionals who haul SLF are due the same. I'm entitled to the respect of some peckerhead in a suit who can't tell the difference between an airplane and a firetruck, who sits in an office and manipulates numbers to claim I cost too much money for the airline and makes me take a cut in pay while he rakes in bonuses and destroys a company I proudly work for. There's more, but I'm sure this is beginning to sound like a rant. It's not. But it's high time we stood up for ourselves and called it like it is. Should we be greedy? No. That's stupid and only aids in the demise of our company. But we should be compensated properly for the work we do. And we shouldn't be ashamed to demand it. Funny thing is this. Most businessmen are conservative. I don't knock that. Ask yourself this. When was the last time you heard a banker, a doctor, a lawyer or a broker arguing with their compatriots that they made too much and would gladly work for less? Or that the "free market" should determine their compensation package? |
Originally Posted by 1515greenlight
(Post 588078)
Jeeps, I don't think anyone who has been in this business awhile feels they are "entitled" to a high paying job. I for one see it this way:
A doctor, lawyer or God forbid, a fund manager holds a life, freedom or a lt of folks retirements in their hands (yeah, I know, but I felt this way a long time before they fubar'd it). If a doctor screws up, insurance pays and he likely will not lose his license. A lawyer can screw up a case and lose your money or your freedom. The money guy...'nuff said. Not one of them is required to attend refresher courses that, if unsuccessfully completed, would cost them their license. They go merrily on, and many indeed DO feel "entitled." We, on the other hand...you know the drill. Six month medicals, EKG's, PC's, recurrents, line checks, Fed's, FAR busts...need I go on? Any of those can cost our license. We fly tubes full of people who have aggregate net worth's in the millions on a passenger flight, cargo ranging from McDonalds cups headed for Dubai to Ferrari's to military equipment for our guys and gals. We can't make a mistake. It's not allowed because the penalty is: "Mrs./Mr. ___, the plane crashed. Your husband/wife didn't make it. Sorry." We get pushed every day to keep the schedule. To "complete the mission." "So and so would fly with that broken." Again the list goes on. I am a professional. So are my fellow crewmembers. We do what we do because we have a big enough ego to put on the monkey suit and walk into that plane, look at the passengers and turn left, knowing we are the only SOB's on that bird that can get them all safely from Point A to Point B. And we're smart enough to leave that same ego outside the cockpit door and trade it for a healthy yellow streak that keeps us from being stupid once we close the door. So do I feel I am "entitled" to a high paying job? No. I feel I am entitled to be compensated for my years of experience, my knowledge and my professionalism that is all proven to be 100% dead on accurate and correct every time I put 800,000 pounds of of metal, fuel and freight or in a damn small box at high speed. I feel my fellow professionals who haul SLF are due the same. I'm entitled to the respect of some peckerhead in a suit who can't tell the difference between an airplane and a firetruck, who sits in an office and manipulates numbers to claim I cost too much money for the airline and makes me take a cut in pay while he rakes in bonuses and destroys a company I proudly work for. There's more, but I'm sure this is beginning to sound like a rant. It's not. But it's high time we stood up for ourselves and called it like it is. Should we be greedy? No. That's stupid and only aids in the demise of our company. But we should be compensated properly for the work we do. And we shouldn't be ashamed to demand it. Funny thing is this. Most businessmen are conservative. I don't knock that. Ask yourself this. When was the last time you heard a banker, a doctor, a lawyer or a broker arguing with their compatriots that they made too much and would gladly work for less? Or that the "free market" should determine their compensation package? |
Originally Posted by 1515greenlight
(Post 588078)
Jeeps, I don't think anyone who has been in this business awhile feels they are "entitled" to a high paying job. I for one see it this way:
A doctor, lawyer or God forbid, a fund manager holds a life, freedom or a lt of folks retirements in their hands (yeah, I know, but I felt this way a long time before they fubar'd it). If a doctor screws up, insurance pays and he likely will not lose his license. A lawyer can screw up a case and lose your money or your freedom. The money guy...'nuff said. Not one of them is required to attend refresher courses that, if unsuccessfully completed, would cost them their license. They go merrily on, and many indeed DO feel "entitled." We, on the other hand...you know the drill. Six month medicals, EKG's, PC's, recurrents, line checks, Fed's, FAR busts...need I go on? Any of those can cost our license. We fly tubes full of people who have aggregate net worth's in the millions on a passenger flight, cargo ranging from McDonalds cups headed for Dubai to Ferrari's to military equipment for our guys and gals. We can't make a mistake. It's not allowed because the penalty is: "Mrs./Mr. ___, the plane crashed. Your husband/wife didn't make it. Sorry." We get pushed every day to keep the schedule. To "complete the mission." "So and so would fly with that broken." Again the list goes on. I am a professional. So are my fellow crewmembers. We do what we do because we have a big enough ego to put on the monkey suit and walk into that plane, look at the passengers and turn left, knowing we are the only SOB's on that bird that can get them all safely from Point A to Point B. And we're smart enough to leave that same ego outside the cockpit door and trade it for a healthy yellow streak that keeps us from being stupid once we close the door. So do I feel I am "entitled" to a high paying job? No. I feel I am entitled to be compensated for my years of experience, my knowledge and my professionalism that is all proven to be 100% dead on accurate and correct every time I put 800,000 pounds of of metal, fuel and freight or in a damn small box at high speed. I feel my fellow professionals who haul SLF are due the same. I'm entitled to the respect of some peckerhead in a suit who can't tell the difference between an airplane and a firetruck, who sits in an office and manipulates numbers to claim I cost too much money for the airline and makes me take a cut in pay while he rakes in bonuses and destroys a company I proudly work for. There's more, but I'm sure this is beginning to sound like a rant. It's not. But it's high time we stood up for ourselves and called it like it is. Should we be greedy? No. That's stupid and only aids in the demise of our company. But we should be compensated properly for the work we do. And we shouldn't be ashamed to demand it. Funny thing is this. Most businessmen are conservative. I don't knock that. Ask yourself this. When was the last time you heard a banker, a doctor, a lawyer or a broker arguing with their compatriots that they made too much and would gladly work for less? Or that the "free market" should determine their compensation package? Doctors have to get board re-certification every 7 to 10 years. |
Originally Posted by 1515greenlight
(Post 588078)
Jeeps,......
So do I feel I am "entitled" to a high paying job? No. I feel I am entitled to be compensated for my years of experience, my knowledge and my professionalism that is all proven to be 100% dead on accurate and correct every time I put 800,000 pounds of of metal, fuel and freight or in a damn small box at high speed. I feel my fellow professionals who haul SLF are due the same. I'm entitled to the respect of some peckerhead in a suit who can't tell the difference between an airplane and a firetruck, who sits in an office and manipulates numbers to claim I cost too much money for the airline and makes me take a cut in pay while he rakes in bonuses and destroys a company I proudly work for. There's more, but I'm sure this is beginning to sound like a rant. It's not. But it's high time we stood up for ourselves and called it like it is. Should we be greedy? No. That's stupid and only aids in the demise of our company. But we should be compensated properly for the work we do. And we shouldn't be ashamed to demand it. Funny thing is this. Most businessmen are conservative. I don't knock that. Ask yourself this. When was the last time you heard a banker, a doctor, a lawyer or a broker arguing with their compatriots that they made too much and would gladly work for less? Or that the "free market" should determine their compensation package? Hog |
Originally Posted by 1515greenlight
(Post 588078)
Funny thing is this. Most businessmen are conservative. I don't knock that. Ask yourself this. When was the last time you heard a banker, a doctor, a lawyer or a broker arguing with their compatriots that they made too much and would gladly work for less? Or that the "free market" should determine their compensation package?
And, I love how I'm accused of being a fresh face out of college. At least I have my shiny new dictionary to keep me company. |
Originally Posted by milky
(Post 588915)
Of all the careers you listed, businessmen's salaries are the most tied to the free market. Well, except that now the government has decided to regulate executive pay for bail'd out companies. Businessmen are paid for their abilities and potentials. The companies pay the wage that they feel will draw the best talent that they can afford for a particular position. I think that your argument is completely off base.
Don't drink their koolaide! Corporate culture is a microcosm of American society, and in the corporate world you will see all types, the smart, the stupid, the fast talkers, the punters,the honest, the dishonest, the capable, and the downright embarassing. At the top levels, the culture is no different from the bottom, or the middle. Executives pay and station is not tied to their abilities. There are some really smart guys and gals making lots, and their are some really incapable ones making lots. Not my opinion, my experience. Onfinal |
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