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Originally Posted by TurboFan
(Post 598987)
I completely understand that as a pilot you must be extra diligent on a congested ramp. That being said, I was told during my stint as a ramp agent that I was wholly responsible for any aircraft that I was marshaling and that I would be responsible, and not the pilots, should anything happen.
How is it that these pilots could be fired when they were simply following the direction of the marshaler? If we as pilots can't trust a marshaler what is their purpose? There is a lot to pay attention to while operating in the extremely congested gate areas, I don't think this is the pilots fault and I definitely don't think they deserve to be fired over it. I agree. Some years back, when I worked the ramp for Comair at CVG, we were busier than a beehive. I was working a flight and an RJ-2 was taxiing in. There was no to marshel the a/c in. So, me being the team player that I am, leaped into action. As I was marshelling the ac/c in, another employee with about 7-10 years who was driving the mail cart, was just slightly over the yellow painted lines for all tugs & baggage/mail carts. Needless to say as the a/c was taxiing in the left winglet caught the baggage cart ever so slightly but just enough to snap the wing forward just a little bit. Both me and the driver of the cart were suspended for 3 days, tested for drugs/alcohol. We both returned to work. I can remember the look on the Captain's face. He was pi$$ed. I saw that same Captain about 3-5 years later. We both laughed about the situation. Fortunately that crew was not fired. atp |
Originally Posted by elcid79
(Post 599132)
not true, don't flame bait, do a little research alpa is actually quite good.
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Originally Posted by TurboFan
(Post 598987)
I completely understand that as a pilot you must be extra diligent on a congested ramp. That being said, I was told during my stint as a ramp agent that I was wholly responsible for any aircraft that I was marshaling and that I would be responsible, and not the pilots, should anything happen.
How is it that these pilots could be fired when they were simply following the direction of the marshaler? If we as pilots can't trust a marshaler what is their purpose? There is a lot to pay attention to while operating in the extremely congested gate areas, I don't think this is the pilots fault and I definitely don't think they deserve to be fired over it.
Originally Posted by atpwannabe
(Post 599164)
I agree.
Some years back, when I worked the ramp for Comair at CVG, we were busier than a beehive. I was working a flight and an RJ-2 was taxiing in. There was no to marshel the a/c in. So, me being the team player that I am, leaped into action. As I was marshelling the ac/c in, another employee with about 7-10 years who was driving the mail cart, was just slightly over the yellow painted lines for all tugs & baggage/mail carts. Needless to say as the a/c was taxiing in the left winglet caught the baggage cart ever so slightly but just enough to snap the wing forward just a little bit. Both me and the driver of the cart were suspended for 3 days, tested for drugs/alcohol. We both returned to work. I can remember the look on the Captain's face. He was pi$$ed. I saw that same Captain about 3-5 years later. We both laughed about the situation. Fortunately that crew was not fired. atp M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L-E-R M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L-I-N-G |
Originally Posted by Zapata
(Post 599175)
How many different variations are you going to use? Please learn to spell.
M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L-E-R M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L-I-N-G marshal |ˈmär sh əl| noun 1 an officer of the highest rank in the armed forces of some countries, including France. • chiefly historical a high-ranking officer of state. 2 a federal or municipal law officer. • the head of a police department. • the head of a fire department. 3 an official responsible for supervising public events, esp. sports events or parades. verb ( -shaled |ˈmɑrʃəld|, -shaling |ˈmɑrʃ(ə)lɪŋ|; chiefly Brit. -shalled, -shalling) [ trans. ] 1 arrange or assemble (a group of people, esp. soldiers) in order : the general marshaled his troops | figurative he paused for a moment, as if marshaling his thoughts. See note at gather . • [ trans. ] guide or usher (someone) ceremoniously : guests were marshaled into position. • [ trans. ] correctly position or arrange (rolling stock). • [ trans. ] guide or direct the movement of (an aircraft) on the ground at an airport. 2 Heraldry combine (coats of arms), typically to indicate marriage, descent, or the bearing of office. DERIVATIVES marshaler noun M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L isn't even a word, it's a name! :p |
Originally Posted by TurboFan
(Post 599183)
Hahaha! Maybe YOU should learn correct grammar!
marshal |ˈmär sh əl| noun 1 an officer of the highest rank in the armed forces of some countries, including France. • chiefly historical a high-ranking officer of state. 2 a federal or municipal law officer. • the head of a police department. • the head of a fire department. 3 an official responsible for supervising public events, esp. sports events or parades. verb ( -shaled |ˈmɑrʃəld|, -shaling |ˈmɑrʃ(ə)lɪŋ|; chiefly Brit. -shalled, -shalling) [ trans. ] 1 arrange or assemble (a group of people, esp. soldiers) in order : the general marshaled his troops | figurative he paused for a moment, as if marshaling his thoughts. See note at gather . • [ trans. ] guide or usher (someone) ceremoniously : guests were marshaled into position. • [ trans. ] correctly position or arrange (rolling stock). • [ trans. ] guide or direct the movement of (an aircraft) on the ground at an airport. 2 Heraldry combine (coats of arms), typically to indicate marriage, descent, or the bearing of office. DERIVATIVES marshaler noun Marshall isn't even a word, it's a name! :p I was on a flight (as a passenger) from DEN to LIT on a EMB-170 and when we were pulling into the gate the "Marshaler" directed the pilot too far forward and was within inches of hitting the jetway with the left wing. We sat there for about 20min before they pushed us back into the right location. Not sure who is responsible when something like that happens but ultimately the PIC has full responsibilty while piloting the aircraft. |
Originally Posted by TurboFan
(Post 599183)
Hahaha! Maybe YOU should learn correct grammar!
marshal |ˈmär sh əl| noun 1 an officer of the highest rank in the armed forces of some countries, including France. • chiefly historical a high-ranking officer of state. 2 a federal or municipal law officer. • the head of a police department. • the head of a fire department. 3 an official responsible for supervising public events, esp. sports events or parades. verb ( -shaled |ˈmɑrʃəld|, -shaling |ˈmɑrʃ(ə)lɪŋ|; chiefly Brit. -shalled, -shalling) [ trans. ] 1 arrange or assemble (a group of people, esp. soldiers) in order : the general marshaled his troops | figurative he paused for a moment, as if marshaling his thoughts. See note at gather . • [ trans. ] guide or usher (someone) ceremoniously : guests were marshaled into position. • [ trans. ] correctly position or arrange (rolling stock). • [ trans. ] guide or direct the movement of (an aircraft) on the ground at an airport. 2 Heraldry combine (coats of arms), typically to indicate marriage, descent, or the bearing of office. DERIVATIVES marshaler noun M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L isn't even a word, it's a name! :p :o |
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I can't help but wonder if this guy starting at 1:32 into this vid YouTube - How to marshall a jet by Zeron was the one marshaling them in. :D
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Originally Posted by CRJPlt
(Post 599158)
Depends on the MEC
LOL Again...THATS THE TRUTH! Go see the contract that was voted in..... |
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