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EvilMonkey 05-01-2009 04:53 AM

Republic Airlines New Aircraft
 
Heard through the grapevine that N161HQ and N162HQ are ERJ-190s. They are repossed GECAS aircraft that are sitting in Stamford, CT. They were previously working for a defunct Australian airline. Curious, I looked at the adjacent tail numbers registrations. N100HQ-N199HQ are reserved by Republic Airlines.

fjetter 05-01-2009 05:16 AM

You do realize that there isn't an airport in Stamford, CT? The closest one is Bridgeport, CT where the longest runway is 4700ft (not sure on how long a rwy the 190 needs) or White Plains, where unless you are stupidly rich it is super expensive to park an aircraft without any real intentions to fly it.

Just saying I'm waiving the BS flag.

BBedford 05-01-2009 05:20 AM

BS to what? I think he meant figuratively speaking they're in CT. AFS is the brokering company that I used to backdoor the airplanes onto our property.

EvilMonkey 05-01-2009 05:24 AM

Look it up in the FAA registry. Then put your BS flag away. Do the research, then choke yourself.

fjetter 05-01-2009 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by EvilMonkey (Post 604018)
Look it up in the FAA registry. Then put your BS flag away. Do the research, then choke yourself.

jeez a little hostile are we? And I will concede that outside of N161HQ and N162HQ they are reserved to RAH. You sound like you're excited about the possibility of 190's going to RAH. Until there is concrete evidence of RAH aquiring these aircraft I'm gonna think its a bunch of bunk. Sorry I'm just a little skeptical of every thread that starts with "I heard through the grapevine...."

ToiletDuck 05-01-2009 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by BBedford (Post 604017)
BS to what? I think he meant figuratively speaking they're in CT. AFS is the brokering company that I used to backdoor the airplanes onto our property.

Figuratively speaking he picked the exact town saying "They are sitting 'here'"? This is funny.

duvie 05-01-2009 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by EvilMonkey (Post 604018)
Look it up in the FAA registry. Then put your BS flag away. Do the research, then choke yourself.

I don't think anybody should be excited about 190s coming to regionals

meyers9163 05-01-2009 05:48 AM

FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Results

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...ges/1pixel.gif

N161HQ is Assigned

Aircraft Description

Serial Number 19000154 Type Registration CorporationManufacturer NameEMBRAER Certificate Issue Date04/10/2009 ModelERJ 190-100 LR StatusValid Type AircraftFixed Wing Multi-EngineType EngineTurbo-Fan Pending Number ChangeNone DealerNo Date Change AuthorizedNone Mode S Code50173043 MFR YearNone Fractional OwnerNO



Registered Owner

Name AFS INVESTMENTS 67-B INC StreetC/O GE COMMERCIAL AVN SVCS LLC 201 HIGH RIDGE ROAD CitySTAMFORD StateCONNECTICUT Zip Code 06927 CountyFAIRFIELD CountryUNITED STATES




Airworthiness


Airworthiness

None

This is the most current Airworthiness Certificate data, however, it may not reflect the current aircraft configuration. For that information, see the aircraft record. A copy can be obtained at Http://162.58.35.241/e.gov/ND/airrecordsND.asp



I dont see any where in which it says they are reserved by RAH. In addition this plane would not be allowed under any scope currently out there. Unless they were to take them to the Island.

CANAM 05-01-2009 05:57 AM

Not that I want 190s here, but the scope is limited to the number of seats, not the size of the aircraft. RAH could by 777s, as long as they had 76 seats.

EvilMonkey 05-01-2009 06:10 AM

I'd rather see Republic go bankrupt and sit on unemployment than see us fly 190's for another carrier. Just to be clear.

waflyboy 05-01-2009 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 604037)
Not that I want 190s here, but the scope is limited to the number of seats, not the size of the aircraft. RAH could by 777s, as long as they had 76 seats.

Every seat would be a suite! And that would be....ahh... sweet?

Flyer00 05-01-2009 06:17 AM

If this is true, we have all collectively stepped down another rung on the ladder of what used to be a wonderful career. :(

johnso29 05-01-2009 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 604037)
Not that I want 190s here, but the scope is limited to the number of seats, not the size of the aircraft. RAH could by 777s, as long as they had 76 seats.

To buy E190s & fly them with only 76 seats would be pointless.

UnlimitedAkro 05-01-2009 06:34 AM

Haha! What are you going to do with them? Hire a few pilots, then furlough them after self branding fails? Or not hire any pilots and use the ones you have, then furlough them after self branding fails. Have fun with your 190's that you cant fly for anyone.

utedrummer 05-01-2009 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 604052)
To buy E190s & fly them with only 76 seats would be pointless.

No it wouldn't, everyone here knows for a fact that the size of aircraft we fly is directly related and in opposition to the size of BBs, umm, "ego". We simply have to get the biggest planes we can to help him justify himself.

But for me and my certificate, we would rather stay furloughed than drive a 190 at a regional. Just so you know.

meyers9163 05-01-2009 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by utedrummer (Post 604067)
No it wouldn't, everyone here knows for a fact that the size of aircraft we fly is directly related and in opposition to the size of BBs, umm, "ego". We simply have to get the biggest planes we can to help him justify himself.

Isnt BB the same guy who allowed Mesaba to go through that huge mess a few years ago?

DeltaPaySoon 05-01-2009 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 604071)
Isnt BB the same guy who allowed Mesaba to go through that huge mess a few years ago?

Bedford was at Mesaba but that was a long while ago.....and a completely different mess.

Dougdrvr 05-01-2009 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 604058)
Haha! What are you going to do with them? Hire a few pilots, then furlough them after self branding fails? Or not hire any pilots and use the ones you have, then furlough them after self branding fails. Have fun with your 190's that you cant fly for anyone.

They will probably go to Midwest Connect, fly under the YX code, feed Delta under the new one-way code share, cheerfully fly it for 1/3 to 1/2 of what the Midwest pilots would, Midwest will give up the rest of the 717s and bring back at least one MD80 (that they still own) just to keep the certificate and code, and we all lose (except management, that is).

Bubba 05-01-2009 07:04 AM

Mokulele....

3XLoser 05-01-2009 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 604078)
They will probably go to Midwest Connect, fly under the YX code, feed Delta under the new one-way code share, cheerfully fly it for 1/3 to 1/2 of what the Midwest pilots would, Midwest will give up the rest of the 717s and bring back at least one MD80 (that they still own) just to keep the certificate and code, and we all lose (except management, that is).


EXACTLY!

We've been trying to warn everyone, but nobody wants to hear it unless it directly affects them. Well it does now, if the rumor's true.

Bucking Bar 05-01-2009 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 604037)
Not that I want 190s here, but the scope is limited to the number of seats, not the size of the aircraft. RAH could by 777s, as long as they had 76 seats.

There are weight limits too, for that reason. A 777 horizontal stabilizer weighs more than they are allowed to operate.

king10pin02 05-01-2009 07:25 AM

there are no scope restrictions on RW, unlike S5 (76) and RP (50) certificates. BB could put a A380 with 600+ seats on the RW certificate and fly branded etc without violating any code share partner scope clauses.

Blkflyer 05-01-2009 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by king10pin02 (Post 604101)
there are no scope restrictions on RW, unlike S5 (76) and RP (50) certificates. BB could put a A380 with 600+ seats on the RW certificate and fly branded etc without violating any code share partner scope clauses.

Could They do that perhaps would they? Hardly not in this economic climate. Even in a healthy economy I doubt that RAH would want to do anything to compete with a code share. With everyone cutting capacity I dont see what markets they would target, then again I am not privy to RAH business plans/strategy

"In other news RAH will be getting the aging STS fleet from NASA and starting a new Space Tourist Branded Division flight Division to be flown for a fraction of the pay of NASA STS driver"

3XLoser 05-01-2009 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Blkflyer (Post 604131)

"In other news RAH will be getting the aging STS fleet from NASA and starting a new Space Tourist Branded Division flight Division to be flown for a fraction of the pay of NASA STS driver"


I knew this would happen! Republic pilots cannot settle for less than NASA+1 rates for these, or else the whole galaxy will be in a race to the bottom! And I'll really be ****ed if these things show op in Milwaukee in blue paint!

naley70b 05-01-2009 09:14 AM

Race to the bottom, who can get there first?

Superpilot92 05-01-2009 09:18 AM

Bucking bar beat me to it
 

Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 604037)
Not that I want 190s here, but the scope is limited to the number of seats, not the size of the aircraft. RAH could by 777s, as long as they had 76 seats.

thats not true for the DAL flying. Thats why the weight increase that was planned was scratched. For DAL flying its seats and weight.

teamdothis 05-01-2009 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 604044)
Every seat would be a suite! And that would be....ahh... sweet?

So you want to fly heavy tin for 76 seat pay? .....ahh......LAME!

mynameisjim 05-01-2009 09:30 AM

The biggest scare for Delta pilots would be these flying for Midwest and carrying Delta customers on code share. Or Republic buying 500 70 seat turboprops, since they have no scope restriction.

Superpilot92 05-01-2009 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 604170)
The biggest scare for Delta pilots would be these flying for Midwest and carrying Delta customers on code share. Or Republic buying 500 70 seat turboprops, since they have no scope restriction.

Whats really scary is that you seem to think that would be a good thing :cool: :eek:

(btw there are restrictions on that codeshare also)

Ratherbeoffwork 05-01-2009 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 604181)
Whats really scary is that you seem to think that would be a good thing :cool: :eek:

(btw there are restrictions on that codeshare also)


I think it's equally as scary that you can't seem to read. At what point did he say this would be a good thing? I guess because his post had something to do with Delta, you had to chime up with something condesending.

BBedford 05-01-2009 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Ratherbeoffwork (Post 604192)
I think it's equally as scary that you can't seem to read. At what point did he say this would be a good thing? I guess because his post had something to do with Delta, you had to chime up with something condesending.


"Condescending".....and if you don't know what that means, it means to talk down to.

*in condescending tone*

EvilMonkey 05-01-2009 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by BBedford (Post 604196)
"Condescending".....and if you don't know what that means, it means to talk down to.

*in condescending tone*


Awfully harsh for a good upstanding Catholic like yourself! By the way, did you buy those 190's to haul your 15 kids around?

mynameisjim 05-01-2009 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 604170)
The biggest scare for Delta pilots would be these flying for Midwest and carrying Delta customers on code share. Or Republic buying 500 70 seat turboprops, since they have no scope restriction.

Quite the opposite actually. I'd rather bring up the worst case scenario in hopes that most Delta pilots get as interested in it as you are. I don't want to work at my POS regional any longer than I have to.

ToiletDuck 05-01-2009 11:08 AM

I can't believe this thread is still going and that anyone here has taken anything associated with it seriously at all. The debating of code share limitations, where the flying would go, etc shouldn't even take place this so far out there it's too funny. If there were rumors flying around we'd hear them from our own guys first. We have a few Brazilian locals that spend time down there and go there to pick up each new aircraft. They speak directly with EMB. Not to mention that RJET has flying in shaky territory. Why would BB purchase additional 190s when he could simply pull a few 175s from other locations? I can't believe people are taking any of this serious. Might as well throw in a few 727s and 75s while you're at it since the leasing company has those too!

ToiletDuck 05-01-2009 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 604223)
I don't want to work at my POS regional any longer than I have to.

Leave then. I'm confused why you'd have"mainline planes for regional wages" as your comment but then show up daily to fly them.

Purpleanga 05-01-2009 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by EvilMonkey (Post 604043)
I'd rather see Republic go bankrupt and sit on unemployment than see us fly 190's for another carrier. Just to be clear.

BS. All that while 2/3 of Midwest pilots are out of a job. You seem to be getting a lot of BS thrown at you EvilMonkey. It's no wonder though this is just a preview of whats to come for the whole industry the next decade.

Superpilot92 05-01-2009 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Ratherbeoffwork (Post 604192)
I think it's equally as scary that you can't seem to read. At what point did he say this would be a good thing? I guess because his post had something to do with Delta, you had to chime up with something condesending.

well toolbox, i said "seem to think" because it wasn't clear. below is his quote to clarify. thanks for chirping in. i hope the chip on your shoulder gets better.:rolleyes:


Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 604223)
Quite the opposite actually. I'd rather bring up the worst case scenario in hopes that most Delta pilots get as interested in it as you are. I don't want to work at my POS regional any longer than I have to.

thanks for clarifying, there are a large number of guys keeping these issues on the front burner so further degradation of OUR industry doesn't continue. This needs to be EVERYONES fight not just DAL pilots, Unless of course its one's goal is to work for a regional their entire career at sub par wages :eek:

EvilMonkey 05-01-2009 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 604231)
BS. All that while 2/3 of Midwest pilots are out of a job. You seem to be getting a lot of BS thrown at you EvilMonkey. It's no wonder though this is just a preview of whats to come for the whole industry the next decade.


I just posted the information that I investigated. Don't confuse this with enthusiasm to see Republics airplanes displacing the mainline pilots that rightfully deserve it. If you want to read between the lines, go to Flight Aware. Otherwise, don't kill the messenger.

mynameisjim 05-01-2009 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 604228)
Leave then. I'm confused why you'd have"mainline planes for regional wages" as your comment but then show up daily to fly them.

Its more highlighting the size of today's regional jet, rather than regional jet pay.

I've found many mainline pilots don't realize that the e175 has the same range and speed as an A320, carrying half the people with half the burn.

That's all.

wizepilot 05-01-2009 02:05 PM

Now I'm positive I have no regrets of getting out of 121 and resigning from RAH before I probably would have gotten dumped. And everyone still banters back and forth about this stuff.


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