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n287hg 05-03-2009 08:34 AM

Routes the CRJ and EMB135/145 should not fly
 
I will start.........Comair, Skywest, Freedom all fly DAY-CVG with the crj and emb....I dont know the loads on this route but I think a turboprop would be better on this 15 minute flight. Maybe ASA can bring the ATRs back and fly this route.

Comair does JFK-DFW in the crj9. I know the plane has the range but as a passenger 3 hours in a crj is a tad but uncomfortable.

STINKY 05-03-2009 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by n287hg (Post 604971)
I will start.........Comair, Skywest, Freedom all fly DAY-CVG with the crj and emb....I dont know the loads on this route but I think a turboprop would be better on this 15 minute flight. Maybe ASA can bring the ATRs back and fly this route.

Comair does JFK-DFW in the crj9. I know the plane has the range but as a passenger 3 hours in a crj is a tad but uncomfortable.


I have flown DAY-CVG

In a CRJ in 12:37 the record lol

CVG-LEX about the same 12:30
JFK-PHL I hold the record from gate to gate in 25 minutes

nigelcobalt 05-03-2009 08:52 AM

Anything over 2 hours. 3 hours is ridiculous even if it is a 900.

For example:
ORD-SLC or
SLC-DFW

Convairator 05-03-2009 08:55 AM

I remember one from way back.

IAH-CLL 14 minutes

dvtpilot 05-03-2009 08:58 AM

My longest route in the 700 was going from DEN-ATL

And in the 200 was from ORD-PHX

Speedbird172 05-03-2009 09:05 AM

Did JFK-ORD several times in the -200, including a deadhead once which was not very comfortable. Figured that should've been a mainline route. CVG-DAY, LEX, etc were always fun, no down time there!

Pantera 05-03-2009 09:24 AM

JFK to AUS in the 900. Any weather and the aircraft has to stop in route for fuel. That looks mighty stupid in the eyes of the passengers. Had one flight there where we blocked over 8 hours on the one leg due to delays at JFK. Nice to sit 8 hours in an RJ.

BenFluth216 05-03-2009 09:37 AM

DTW-FNT CR9, last time I flew it was 10 min enroute.

MontaPilot 05-03-2009 09:37 AM

Ont-lax
 
ONT-LAX 0:09 mins. Departure "intercept the localizer on runway heading." Good luck with all the check lists guys.

Roper92 05-03-2009 09:40 AM

IAH-ORD, ATL, DFW...Flights between the ten busiest airports in the United States should be on mainline aircraft.

FL450 05-03-2009 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by STINKY (Post 604975)
I have flown DAY-CVG

In a CRJ in 12:37 the record lol

CVG-LEX about the same 12:30
JFK-PHL I hold the record from gate to gate in 25 minutes


You must have been going in during a special time of day... between the "PHILLY Factor" and JFK notorious waits thats a pretty quick turn

Roper92 05-03-2009 09:42 AM

BPT-IAH. After takeoff, I was given a heading to intercept the 26L Localizer.

Zenbio 05-03-2009 09:53 AM

I did JFK to LGA at 2000ft in a CRJ 200. Repo flight.

Purpleanga 05-03-2009 10:16 AM

Who cares where they fly, they're contract airplanes. The point is they shouldn't replace mainline routes from hub to hub, that's what really matters.

ExperimentalAB 05-03-2009 10:40 AM

Ayep hub-to-hub is mainline territory. RAH running NY-DC and ORDLGA is unacceptable. And I'm not quite sure how I feel about reliever-hub flying (HPNORD for example)...Jury is still out on that one.

STINKY 05-03-2009 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by FL450 (Post 605007)
You must have been going in during a special time of day... between the "PHILLY Factor" and JFK notorious waits thats a pretty quick turn


Ya pushed from philly got cleared for takeoff ... cleared direct jfk... number 1 for landing for 31L and right off into the MA ramp

freezingflyboy 05-03-2009 11:14 AM

I know people always give us XJT guys grief for it (as if it's OUR choice) but I am doing IAH-YYZ tommorow. Seems like that should be a mainline route just based on the distance and the fact that its the 4th largest US city and largest Canadian city. But Air Canada flies the route (and YUL-IAH, YYC-IAH) with Jazz CRJ-700s and the occasional E170 so there must not be as much demand there as you'd think.

F-90 Driver 05-03-2009 11:50 AM

Been doing MEM-SLC lately in a CRJ900

UpThere 05-03-2009 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 605024)
hub-to-hub is mainline territory.

Doesn't UAL have some sort of clause that prevents anyone else from doing hub to hub flying? Do any of the other majors? I know US Air doesn't.

ncpilot624 05-03-2009 11:57 AM

CLE-DFW is rough.
BDL-STL also.

tr disagree 05-03-2009 12:04 PM

I've doen IAH-CLL all 15 min of flight. IAH-PSP, IAH-NAS are always fun. They took away IAH-BOI.

freezingflyboy 05-03-2009 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by UpThere (Post 605043)
Doesn't UAL have some sort of clause that prevents anyone else from doing hub to hub flying? Do any of the other majors? I know US Air doesn't.

CAL doesn't allow any regional partners to fly hub to hub revenue flights.

BankAngle09 05-03-2009 12:25 PM

Just recently, I know PHL-CLT in 200 was operating on Saturdays

av8sean 05-03-2009 12:32 PM

PHX-MEM was a long flight on a Mesa 900.
MEM-BOS is the longest I've done on the 200.

Avroman 05-03-2009 12:39 PM

DTW-TOL was picked up for a while by Pinnacle on the 200. Mesaba does MEM-SLC and MSP-BOI on the 900. Those are some painful routes the other way. And the hub to hub stuff is silly and very unfortunate for commuters hoping for open seats.

maveric311 05-03-2009 12:42 PM

ORD-MKE-ORD 12 min flight 22 min taxi in to the gate from 27R in the 145!

avschulz 05-03-2009 01:20 PM

back in my skyway days in the 328 we did MKE-MSN in about 12 min, but we would go all the way to BDL as well. On a bad headwind day we would have to stop in CLE for more gas!!!

John Pennekamp 05-03-2009 01:27 PM

I'd say anything under 300 miles and anything over 2 hours flight time.

Avroman 05-03-2009 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by avschulz (Post 605067)
back in my skyway days in the 328 we did MKE-MSN in about 12 min, but we would go all the way to BDL as well. On a bad headwind day we would have to stop in CLE for more gas!!!


WOW MKE-BDL required a fuel stop! And I thought the Avro had lousy range for a jet.

duvie 05-03-2009 02:36 PM

SAT-SFO or ORD-YEG on the 700. Blocks over 4 often and the seats are barely better than the 200.

JT8D 05-03-2009 02:56 PM

JFK-LGA repos. 9 miles over the ground.

Killer51883 05-03-2009 03:46 PM

to bad usair doesnt have any mainline flights between two of their hubs and philthy. Both LGA and DCA are all express all day long every day.

One of the most annoying days i ever had was 6 legs all in the state of Ohio on the 145 TOL-CVG-CMH-CVG-DAY-CVG-CLE.

250 or point 65 05-03-2009 03:54 PM

ord-mke

8 minutes

saab2000 05-03-2009 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Roper92 (Post 605006)
IAH-ORD, ATL, DFW...Flights between the ten busiest airports in the United States should be on mainline aircraft.

Yup.

We operate PHL-ATL on the CRJ. It's a total farce. Never an empty seat and these are two of the biggest cities in the US and their main airports. Flights between major urban areas should simply not be on so-called 'Regional' jets. There's nothing 'regional' about flying from JFK-ORD. Or PHL-ATL. Or.... the list could go on and on.

ce650 05-03-2009 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by BenFluth216 (Post 605004)
DTW-FNT CR9, last time I flew it was 10 min enroute.

Last time I airlined thru DTW the gate next to ours was DTW-FNT in an airbus.

RAHPilot5 05-03-2009 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Pantera (Post 604999)
JFK to AUS in the 900. Any weather and the aircraft has to stop in route for fuel. That looks mighty stupid in the eyes of the passengers. Had one flight there where we blocked over 8 hours on the one leg due to delays at JFK. Nice to sit 8 hours in an RJ.

We had those legs in the 170s before delta decided not to have us do them anymore. I guess they passed them along to yall. Lucky bastards! :)

Nothing like a 3 or 4-day trip doing a AUS or DFW overnight(22 hours+). Wake up and fly aus-jfk back to aus or dfw just under 8 hours of block with a 22+ hour overnight. I loved those trips. My longest was JFK-AUS 6 hr 45 mins. with a 2 hour sit in JFK due to taxiing behind the intl departures after 5:00pm. I know of 1 captain who blocked over 8 hours JFK-AUS due to weather at JFK plus taxiing behind all the int. departures.

However, we never stopped enroute for fuel.:p

Of course it was the 170 so it was comftorable too. I think their is a youtube clip about us when the JFK delays were really bad couple years ago.

I wish we had those JFK-AUS/DFW legs though. I had a lot of days off with those trips.

Enjoy em!

i121ADX 05-04-2009 06:58 AM

Yeah the TOL - DTW flight is pointless but the SAAB is always filled apparently.

el jefe 05-04-2009 07:03 AM

Any flight where either pilot has to get up and use the lav in the back and do the "walk of shame" is too long for a CRJ.

Blkflyer 05-04-2009 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 605119)
Yup.

We operate PHL-ATL on the CRJ. It's a total farce. Never an empty seat and these are two of the biggest cities in the US and their main airports. Flights between major urban areas should simply not be on so-called 'Regional' jets. There's nothing 'regional' about flying from JFK-ORD. Or PHL-ATL. Or.... the list could go on and on.

The region that is implied by management is the North American Region. Like you I dont see how ATL-TISX is regional but Delta thinks its ok to use a CRJ 900 there.. ok rant off

JetBlast77 05-04-2009 07:49 AM

XJT does a ridiculous amount of flights that shouldn't be an RJ:

EWR-OKC, EWR-TUL, EWR-NAS, EWR-MCI, EWR-LIT, EWR-XNA, EWR-STL, EWR-MSY, CLE-NAS, CLE-MIA, CLE-PBI, CLE-MCO, CLE-TPA, IAH-NAS, IAH-PIT, IAH-SLC, IAH-ABQ, IAH-PHX, IAH-TUS, IAH-YYZ, IAH-BOI (now removed), IAH-PSP, IAH-MEX, IAH-PVR, IAH-SJD, IAH-ACA, IAH-HUX, IAH-CME, IAH-RIC, IAH-DCA, IAH-ORD, IAH-MCO, IAH-RSW.....They even used to do IAH-GUA. Am I forgetting any? Its always funny when I talk to mainline guys and they tell me how sweet the schedules and overnights will get once we're at a major and get away from these "regional" schedules. You tell me whats regional about a 25 hour commutable 4 day with overnights in Boston, Cabo, and PHX. Boston the hotel is right downtown next to everything, Cabo is an all inclusive resort in the beach, and PHX is also downtown close to a lot. Yeah, these "regional" schedules are for the birds...:rolleyes:


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