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Old 05-04-2009 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cappelation
has anyone ever realized...even if things turn around and the regionals start hiring again...
Pay and QOL will never improve.
Pay should be minimum double what it is.
all of you people standing in line to take these jobs ruin it for everyone.
I'm with you man. Probably one of the best posts in a while. Short and to the point. Hopefully this recession will change people's minds.
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Old 05-04-2009 | 10:28 PM
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Are you serious? What do you mean you hope it will change people's minds, as in they won't want to be a pilot anymore? Yes hopefully nobody wants to be an airline pilot and I'll be the only one left. That way I can make literally hundreds of dollars.
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Old 05-04-2009 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by nigelcobalt
Are you serious? What do you mean you hope it will change people's minds, as in they won't want to be a pilot anymore?
Not pilot, airline pilot. It's already working as hundreds of pro oriented schools are going out of business and some of the pilot mills are becoming desperate as well. Most out there realize that this is a job, that also needs to provide their other basic life needs, like money and security. If they have a passion for it they'll just rent a 172 over the weekend, that doesn't hurt anyone.
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Old 05-04-2009 | 10:44 PM
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Well I agree with one thing that cappelation said, and that is pay should be double. I don't agree with the negative attitude that things will never change and that 'everyone else' is ruining it. I think it is unfair for that to be said unless that person has left the profession already. I also am aware that not many people are getting into this profession because the cost/benefit is simply not there. I love my job, but would I do it all over again, no.
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Old 05-05-2009 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cappelation
all of you people standing in line to take these jobs ruin it for everyone.
This comes off as a smidge preachy coming from a 23 year old cat that is "seat locked" in a Cessna 150 and isn't indicating any actual 121 experience.


There is a continuing excess of pilots, and part of management's agenda is to take advantage of this fact. Thank you for inspiring me with your incredible acumen.

...That is - inspiring me to take another two week break from APC.

Oh, and if you're tired of being "seatlocked" in that 150, I know of at least two pilots on the street who would love to teach again instead of "waiting in line" and just building time.
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Old 05-05-2009 | 12:53 AM
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Upturn.....Whats that?
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Old 05-05-2009 | 12:59 AM
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When Mesa hires again.
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Old 05-05-2009 | 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga
When Mesa hires again.

Well if you put it like that, then there def isnt going be an upturn...
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Old 05-05-2009 | 04:41 AM
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I know this may not be a popular opinion among the masses, but aviation is what it is and most of us knew that coming in but did it anyway. I submit to you " Please read a book called the "Professional Pilots career Guide" by Robert Mark, and then reevaluate how you will prepare and interview in the future when things turn around. This is not the first tough market in aviation, and it will not be the last. Im not saying this will land you a job later on but the book is full of some powerful experiences of pilots over the years and some valuable lessons if applied correctly. We all need to be HONEST with ourselves and admit that mabye we didnt do as much research as we should have when entered this job, we simply jumped at the chance to fly for a living. So the question remains do we continue to blame everyone else or do we work on making sure we make more imformed decisions for our futures.

News Flash We are responsible for our own destinys, no one else...you still have this wonderful thing called freedom of choice...

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Old 05-05-2009 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by nigelcobalt
Every time I look on the forums I feel like drinking a gallon of skydrol afterwards.
Someone will be in line to take your place as you say
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