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Swedish Blender 05-13-2009 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 610116)
Does that include those tac air guys who fly up in Alaska, any of the northern states, Canada. Korea or Japan in the winter, or those fun dets to Norway?

F4 guy. Said he didn't fly to crap weather runways and if so dropped the hook. Never went slip slidin' away:)

tomgoodman 05-13-2009 08:39 PM

You will be assimilated...
 

Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 610166)
mil vs. civ who cares as long as they have skills.

That's the bottom line. I could hardly ever tell where a fellow pilot learned to fly until we started chatting about the subject. A really young guy probably had to be civilian-trained, as did the occasional female (until the military started accepting them), but those were the only clues. I think the hiring process and the S/O seat experience worked to "standardize" crewmembers.

mjarosz 05-13-2009 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingChipmunk (Post 610229)
Must be the YMCA flight training program.

I'd like to see that. I assumed someone would quickly point that the military would not be private flight lessons and how the training would be better. I guess we all know what happens when you assume.

dojetdriver 05-13-2009 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 610038)
Didn't one of those airlines cfit into cali and snap an a300 tail off?

If I remember correctly, Cali was the standard human factors accident with all the accompanying things that usually contribute to said type of event.

The A300 isn't even the same sport, much less the same ballpark. That was a pilot doing EXACTLY as he was trained to do by the airline.

Can't really use that one to make the point.

Radar 05-13-2009 10:41 PM

This Al Yurman guy can't even spell... "much lower coast" ?!? Some expert!

Seatownflyer 05-13-2009 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 610051)
I started out as a civilian trained pilot and then went through a military program. I can tell you the two are worlds apart in quality and instructional tools. You also get to experience many things you will only ever talk about in a civilian program. This is not a knock on civilian pilots. Its simply a statement that the military training is light years ahead of most civilian programs. I had one friend in flight school who had 4000 hours and had been a Captain at a regional. He was astounded at the difference in the training and the things he learned and experienced the civilian programs never give you a shot at. Are there bad military pilots yes. Are there great civilian pilots yes. The training however in general is light years ahead in the military.

Well hey, if the tax payers funded my flight school with an almost unlimited cash flow then I guarantee our training would have been light years ahead of other civilian schools as well. duh.

WhistlePig 05-14-2009 01:35 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 610051)
I started out as a civilian trained pilot and then went through a military program. I can tell you the two are worlds apart in quality and instructional tools. You also get to experience many things you will only ever talk about in a civilian program. This is not a knock on civilian pilots. Its simply a statement that the military training is light years ahead of most civilian programs. I had one friend in flight school who had 4000 hours and had been a Captain at a regional. He was astounded at the difference in the training and the things he learned and experienced the civilian programs never give you a shot at. Are there bad military pilots yes. Are there great civilian pilots yes. The training however in general is light years ahead in the military.

I had a similar path and concur. Although I will add that my overall best individual instructors have been on the civilian side (much lower percentage of screamers), the military system provides training opportunities such as acro, out of control flight, bombing, carrier qual, formation flying etc... in mostly high performance aircraft that straight civilian training cannot duplicate without spending $$$$$

WhistlePig 05-14-2009 01:41 AM


Originally Posted by Seatownflyer (Post 610296)
Well hey, if the tax payers funded my flight school with an almost unlimited cash flow then I guarantee our training would have been light years ahead of other civilian schools as well. duh.

So sacrifice your time, personal freedom, and self determination for the next 12 years get the best training in the world. The airlines might be on an "up" cycle by then.

SmoothOnTop 05-14-2009 02:42 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 610250)
If I remember correctly, Cali was the standard human factors accident with all the accompanying things that usually contribute to said type of event.

The A300 isn't even the same sport, much less the same ballpark. That was a pilot doing EXACTLY as he was trained to do by the airline.

Can't really use that one to make the point.

Having completed a.a.m.p., I'd say I can make that point, sport.

Read the report or consider this analogy:

Departing a slush covered runway, the crew should make turns to the left and right on climbout to avoid refreezing of the contaminant on the aileron hinges.

Contrast that with "a pilot, doing EXACTLY as he was trained to do by the airline" completing barrel rolls on the departure climb...

HercDriver130 05-14-2009 02:47 AM


Originally Posted by mjarosz (Post 610221)
Experts who testified during the first day of NTSB hearings said Renslow — who slept in Colgan's flight crew room prior to the flight, violating regulations — could have prevented the plane's plunge into a private home had he lowered the nose of the aircraft. Instead, the 47-year-old pilot — who took private flying lessons to obtain his commercial license — pulled the plane upward.

Sleeping the crew room violation of regulations? You gotta be kidding. And taking private flying lessons to get your commercial? Are there public lessons I can take for much less money?
Get real buddy.

Actually at many companies it is a violation of company policy to sleep overnight in the crew room. Happened all the time at my last 121 carrier... just saying ....strictly speaking it violated company policy.


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