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Boomer 05-14-2009 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 610852)
Find a new job -most airlines that play "musical domicile" usually don't pay well enough to put up with their b.s. anyway.

Comair has been headquartered at CVG for 32 years. Many Comair employees figured that Cincy would be a safe place to move and lay down roots.

Now, at Delta's whim, most of the company is being uprooted and moved to JFK.

To add to the uncertainty, Delta/Comair has said the JFK shift could be long-term (when confronted, they specified this means probably longer than one year) and additional decisions will be made (possible furloughs and new domiciles) and announced after the summer.

With that in mind, what would be your recommendation for the hundreds of crewmembers impacted by this random and temporary situation?

Maybe the entire company should just quit and get a job at the mall?

BIGRIG 05-14-2009 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by sig598 (Post 610750)
Completely unrealistic. My regional opened and closed bases at LAX, SLC, and DFW all within a two year period. Sure the company pays moving expenses, but thats it--just the expenses. Within that time period, try buying and selling and packing and unpacking and 9 new schools (3 kids different ages X 3 schools each X 3 cities X a bunch of teachers per kid). Moving may as well have been a full time job. Ive spent more time waiting for the cable guy than anyone I know.

Dont try to tell us that we knew what we were getting into.

Ok Bro. I agree with what you wrote. I guess I should have worded what I wrote a little better. I was just stating that some jobs require relocation and gave the example of my family. I think that pilots should be able to live where ever they want to and commute to work. I was simply stating that if the airlines were to ever expect pilots to all live in domicile(unrealistic); they would have to pay for everything. This is apparently what you have experienced first hand and your company does for its employees. I wasn't trying to tell you that you should have known what you were getting into.

I realize everyones blood pressure is up right now because of what is going on with Colgan 3407 and the media garbage. Relax a little bit.

sig598 05-14-2009 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by BIGRIG (Post 611028)
Ok Bro. I agree with what you wrote. I guess I should have worded what I wrote a little better. I was just stating that some jobs require relocation and gave the example of my family. I think that pilots should be able to live where ever they want to and commute to work. I was simply stating that if the airlines were to ever expect pilots to all live in domicile(unrealistic); they would have to pay for everything. This is apparently what you have experienced first hand and your company does for its employees. I wasn't trying to tell you that you should have known what you were getting into.

I realize everyones blood pressure is up right now because of what is going on with Colgan 3407 and the media garbage. Relax a little bit.



Im with ya... We cool. :-)

sig598 05-14-2009 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Guildenstern (Post 611008)
We have our "Residencies" too, It's called Instructing. Where you live at home or the crappy university student cage (which is better then a Resident who has to move to where they are placed, Med school bills and all.) You and one student and whoever you crash on are all the risk involved at that point. Consequently you get paied crap; but you are home every night.

By the time you belt into a plane with 50 specimines of the mighty unwashed masses, Recidency is over. You are now part of a commercial flight crew. The fact that both the company and the pilots look at themselves as being in a disposable job just makes the whole thing worse.

Pretending that flying for a regional is like being a Resident is Bull. Flying for a regional is closer to working the crappy county hospital as a full fledged doctor of medicine. Not glamorous, not big money, but you are still a professional acting in a professional capacity at the only job you have.

But either way, Pilots comparing themselves to Doctors may be a sign that the Pilot Ego is completely out of control.

Ive been in this industry for 15 years, and believe me, Ive paid my dues. I tried to formulate a logical response to you. However, after further reviewing your post, I have absolutely no idea what you were talking about. Please write all future responses in the English language for easier interpretation.

sig598 05-14-2009 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 610997)
My "musical domicile" comment was geared more towards the entry-level bottom feeders (similar to type I used to fly for :D) that moved domiciles so as to not have to pay per diem. Those carriers are the ones that came to mind, not established majors who are doing it due to operational necessity or mergers. .

I hear your argument. However, to think that even "established reputable airlines" dont play the same games is naive. Good airlines play "musical bases" too. Bottom line is that changes happen. The company should support you. Paying moving expenses is the bare minimum. How about a free ride to work?

And "yes," I am "aware" that I "included a lot of quotation marks" in this post. I thought "it" better "emphasized my" point. :-)

Guildenstern 05-15-2009 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by sig598 (Post 611089)
Ive been in this industry for 15 years, and believe me, Ive paid my dues. I tried to formulate a logical response to you. However, after further reviewing your post, I have absolutely no idea what you were talking about. Please write all future responses in the English language for easier interpretation.

I began by pointing out the error of concidering flying for a regonal to be analogous to a medical doctor's residency. I opinioned that Flying as an Instructor is more akin to the position of medical resident.

I further went on to describe flying for a regonal airline to be more comparable to being a post residency doctor at a dumpy hospital.

And lastly, I pointed out how insulting it is to doctors that pilots constantly hold themselves in equal esteem to somone who has earned an M.D. and the right to practce medicine.

Your responce was dismissive and poorly conceved.

Phil1111 05-15-2009 05:13 AM

Pilot lifestyle Under Threat
 

Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 610275)
Yeah, and if they do away with commuting and raise mins like they testified to today, the only way theyll get a pilot is to raise wages..the way I see it, this crash will either force a raise increase or Colgan goes back to business as normal (low wages, low hiring mins) when this blows over..i think the second is most likely.

Very sad, but second most likely. There will be a new story for the media next week and this tragety will vanish in the mind of the public.

Lab Rat 05-15-2009 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by sig598 (Post 611106)
And "yes," I am "aware" that I "included a lot of quotation marks" in this post. I thought "it" better "emphasized my" point. :-)

Great minds think alike. :)

Lab Rat 05-15-2009 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 611021)
Comair has been headquartered at CVG for 32 years. Many Comair employees figured that Cincy would be a safe place to move and lay down roots.

Now, at Delta's whim, most of the company is being uprooted and moved to JFK.

To add to the uncertainty, Delta/Comair has said the JFK shift could be long-term (when confronted, they specified this means probably longer than one year) and additional decisions will be made (possible furloughs and new domiciles) and announced after the summer.

With that in mind, what would be your recommendation for the hundreds of crewmembers impacted by this random and temporary situation?

Maybe the entire company should just quit and get a job at the mall?

In the past, some outfits (airlines and non-skeds alike) would habitually move your domicile for no other reason than because they were cheap. That is not the case in your above cited example.


With that in mind, what would be your recommendation for the hundreds of crewmembers impacted by this random and temporary situation?
If it were me, and my situation is going to be different than the next guy's, I would do the pro versus con list of everything I can think of regarding this situation. Next, I would list all options and plans available to me. With those two being done, I would make the best, educated decision that I could.

If it is temporary and random, as your post implies, that would play a big factor as opposed something permanent.

TurboDog 05-15-2009 06:40 AM

Airlines may start making their crews live within 120 minutes from their domicile. Don't think it will happen? The fractionals do it. Go to the Comair Updates thread and check out the crew created tents in the JFK crew room.


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