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Old 05-20-2009 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
I agree with this letter. While I agree with it, I think the change needs to start at the flight schools. You shouldn't be able to leave a flight school as a student with less than 250 hours. 141 Training schools should have students graduating with near 500 hours. Then going on to instruct or whatever to get experience. Getting hired at an airline though should be closer to 2000 hours.
Turbo...who do you think is going to be paying for 500 hours of 141 time??
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Old 05-20-2009 | 08:25 PM
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No, admitedly I didn't pay for my ATP.

But, when I was first hired at a regional I had 1283 total hours and 205 multi-engine, plus my ATP written done. If waiting another 217 hours to get on with an airline would have meant better pay I would have gladly flight instructed/flew charter a few extra months and paid a few hundred bucks for an ATP check ride.

Long term I think ATPs to get hired part-121 is a good idea.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
Problem:
Power levers left at idle, airspeed decay...
Cause:
Icing???

To the thread- there is a new generation of pilots that, because of market need and the advances in automation/safety/warning systems, do not need 3000-4000 hours of piston to safely fly today's jets/advanced t-props.

They need proper mentoring...
Is that a good thing...that this job is being made easier by the day? A guy I know in Alaska flying the bush...he told me he's not so sure about all the safety/warning/automation "bull." He says that in the years since GPS/Capstone and remote radar that he has had to fail countless Pilots on checkrides when they've gotten head-over-heels lost when the gadgets are turned off. Mentoring won't do it. You need to go back to the basics, and realize that a CRJ is not some computer, but just another airplane. And gee-wiz, it actually hand-flies alright too He also said he's worried about his career -- as the job gets easier and easier, requiring less skill and local knowledge, they'll start hiring low-time CFI's from the lower-48 by the hundreds, driving salaries down through the floor. THAT should not be forgotten...because we're in the same boat here. Soon enough flying a CRJ will be simpler than hopping in a Civic -- and then almost anybody can do it.

And if they can't maintain airspeed, altitude and heading, they need to look elsewhere for employment...
What?! I've witnessed CRJ Captains that can't barely keep the dirty side down without the Autopilot
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Old 05-20-2009 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by robthree
"You need someone older an wiser
Telling you what to do
I am seventeen going on eighteen
I'll take care of you"
Is that the Sound of Music?? LoL
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Old 05-20-2009 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by logic1
What did Mr. Skiles do before US Air?.....where did he get his time?...anyone
Gulfstream Academy, I believe...covered in another thread?
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Old 05-20-2009 | 09:04 PM
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American air travelers deserve experienced, qualified professionals at the controls of their next flight.
Yes they do and it beg's the question again one more time and that is are passengers willing to pay more for a ticket ?
I think we all know the answer .



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Old 05-20-2009 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
141 Training schools should have students graduating with near 500 hours.
Don't know about you but I had spent enough money to get through my CFI. Don't see how you expect kids to pay for 500hrs.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Gulfstream Academy, I believe...covered in another thread?
You can't be serious.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by Sniper

Don't want to be a CFI, have no talent for teaching, have bad eyes so the military doesn't want you? Fine. Go fly piston freight with your commercial license. Just don't expect you should be able to perform as a airline pilot without being licensed as such.[/quote]



Sniper I am missing your point. No pun intended but IFR 135 can be challenging.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSF3Dude
No, admitedly I didn't pay for my ATP.

But, when I was first hired at a regional I had 1283 total hours and 205 multi-engine, plus my ATP written done. If waiting another 217 hours to get on with an airline would have meant better pay I would have gladly flight instructed/flew charter a few extra months and paid a few hundred bucks for an ATP check ride.

Long term I think ATPs to get hired part-121 is a good idea.
I get your point. But ATP mins are not practical, not to mention hiring is done by the market conditions at the regionals. The only way that what you are saying is possible is if the gov itself forced the regionals to hire only high timers which will never happen. It's none of their business to tell the airlines how to run their hiring, especially right now. As I stated before these pilots were high timers, the fo had 1600 at the time of hire and a few hundred hours on the q, that wasn't the issue. The people that have any power over this matter will be looking at the training quality and schedules at the regionals.
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