So when is Midwest pilot group going to sack up and burn the place down????? RAH won't be flying struck work...

DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE RLA?

Well since our FO's max out at $44/hr, I'm confident it would be raised to the $50's, which is still low, but a lot higher than the $37/hr that an FO makes at RAH. I mean come on!! XJET FO's are at $37/hr on their 3rd year, flying a 50-seater and it still goes up another $7. I think XJET's wages are low, but unless RAH raises the bar we are stuck.

Please name a time in the past when we could since you know when we could?

I got something better. How about the Midwest pilots agree to the paycut and take all of Republics flying? Because I guarantee you that is what this will come to.

standing back doing nothing is just sitting back while the rest of your jobs are outsourced. Strike or not, something has to be done. Put the breaks on, there are other ways to make your point other than to strike. I really hope the midwest guys figure out someway to put the breaks on this. Good luck guys.

This is reason number 343 about why SCOPE is SO important!!

They can't because they will go to jail.

Theres the rub. "Move on" ,Move on to what? There will soon be no better place to be than where you are. I hope you can make the best of what you have now. Think about how it will be retiring from your regional airline at 65.
The good jobs are disappearing fast.

like i said, it doesnt have to be a strike to get things noticed. They cant arrest everyone if they decide to get the swine flu around the same time Just saying...

Its either DO nothing and watch the rest of the jobs get flushed or do SOMETHING while they still can.

Worked for the NWA guys on the work rules when they were flying 90hr lines.

How about when you guys were making the crap contract that allowed this in the first place? Believe it or not you CAN strike when making contracts. I googled it take a look people are doing it all over.

strike contract negotions - Google Search

Most guys at the regionals are young and to pin their careers on a regional is short sighted. The movement at the majors will be fast in the near future just based on attrition let alone any "growth". Anyone that looks past their nose will see that no regional is worth retiring at unless your older. Anyone less than 40 should never stay at a regional. IMHO To each their own i suppose.

and no one got arrested, go figure ;)

our first contract, which you speak of, almost went to a strike. sorry to state that scope really wasn't on the radar for ALPA's lawyers back then.

No it's more complicated than that.. the whole thing is broken. Deregulation has failed the pilots and workers of the airline industry.

I too am 1 inch from finally hanging it up.. since being furloughed from American in 2001, I've bounced from low paying crap job to another... I'm tired.

Well so far you've mentioned your negotiators, your company, and your union but I haven't seen you admit that any of this was allowed because of you. Last I checked you have to vote yes or no to a contract. The union just makes sure it abides by the rules. You voted yes.

Actually, I didn't vote for our contract maynard, was hired after.

I hope you guys get JBLU -25% with a no vote from you so I can repeat what you just said.

I have no doubt we'll do whatever we can to cleanup the mess that you stated.

Oh please that is BS, I think we ALLL know that you will never get major 190 rates why do you think you're flying them in the first place? What is to stop majors flying the 190 to match the rates of Republic 190s? Unless the union actually stops this on legallyt, VERY DOUBTFUL, it's going to be a Pandora's box. Finally a test for RAH pilots that are proud to be the best of best by preaching to the rest of us bottom feeders. This news tops it all, now we've all seen everything. I hate this industry. Can't wait to get a few thousand and go to places were piloting is worth something.

It's called a contract and a vote. You vote no to a contract until rates go higher. If they don't go higher then you vote strike. It's pretty simple and most are willing to do whatever it takes. The only BS is your attitude that nothing is fixable.

Who cares. You as a regional pilot should not be voting on an EMB190 pay in the first place. We all joked about this but to actually have a regional flying mainline airplanes is just sick. Don't you realize what this will mean for the future? If you fail to stop this and at the min get mainline pay for your 190s, you guys will be the lowest of the low out of all the regionals even MESA. I'm going to try and get some sleep, some news...

This industry is going down and fast. I wish pilots had some pride. One day the Republic and Colgan guys will get it when some upstart regional undercuts them with a bunch of newbies. History repeats itself.

Enjoy the regionals guys. There are that many less mainline jobs out there.

Where is that?

dang people stop crying about RAH already

Where do you think??? Where the American Dollar still holds some worth! Where you can be paid 15hr and live like a king!


Viva la Mexico!!! :D

Don’t forget, JetBlast, you also owe yourself a debt of gratitude for the decisions you made in life. As history has taught pilots, make sure an alternative plan is in place for the career in aviation does not pan out. The only other industry which comes close to the supply and demand is acting.

Build time to move on?

When things pick up, and they will. Who's going to hire them?
This Rah/E190 deal will not go down well with ANY of the pilots who do the hiring at the mainline carriers.

If I was an Rah guy with hopes of moving on, I'd stay away from any 100 seater while at a regional!

Of course, the older Rah guys, or those with no degree will fly it.

For those who want to move on, it's simply career suicide. At least it will be good news for the guys at other regionals.


Oh, the Rah guys will get an interview. You'll be asked your name, you favorite color, and then "See ya".


Again, it's career suicide!:eek:

I guess even at Rah, there will be some lifers.


Of course, the mainline carriers will likely have an answer to stop this affecting them.



JJ

And when all the regional jet carriers are flying either the Jungle Bus or the 100 seat RJ.. then what....because its coming. ITs what mgt at the mainline has wanted for decades. There are NO easy answers here. This horse left the stable before many of you guys were even out of diapers. Getting him back in will be a miracle.....

I think this was already offered.

For a job action like this, such as a sick out that you mentioned, it must be union organized.

How do you suppose we avoid the flying? Should I tell the company, sorry, I'm not flying that plane. They'll say, sorry, you don't have a job anymore. If we can avoid this, we will. I think career suicide is a little harsh when my 2 options are fly the plane or hit the street. And I would hope that the pilots doing the hiring at the majors would have a little more sense than you and know those were my only options. If we find something with our union to stop this, we will.

The fact that guys will fly for less.

This gives me a hard on.

You can not strike until released by the NMB. President Bush made it very clear that no airline was going to strike under his administration so that for eight years management held all of the cards. I am not that familiar with what has gone on at Midwest but to say they could strike without a release to do so is wrong.

RAH pilots - you are at one of the most important crossroads in your careers. In everyone's careers. Take the fact that you are in contract negotiations as a sign. You MUST remove from your next CBA pay rates for aircraft with more than 76 seats. It will set an important precident that will shape our industry for at least the next decade. For the sake of our profession.

I've been in this industry now for 3 years. Been reading the boards quite a bit in that time as well. To be honest.., based on what I've seen, and read, and heard, I feel that this "solidarity" so many speak of is a myth, or at the very least a reality I will never see in this industry based on the apathy and indifference that exist. That and the "I got mine crowd" seem to me to be the biggest impediment to bringing any solidarity to this profession. We need a fundemental paradigm shift before any EFFECTIVE change will occur. Not likely to occur in my opinion. At this point in my career, my priorities are my health, my family, my career.

At no point in any of these threads have I felt the true spirit of solidarity that compelled me to change my actions with regards to doing my job or make a self sacrifice (read: fall on my own sword) so that those higher in seniority could continue to enjoy job security, prestige and, great pay. Sorry that's how I see it.

With regard to the E-190, do you seriously think that ANY pilot who cares about their family, their livelyhood, and being out on the street in THIS economy, Is gonna ACTUALLY refuse to fly it??? I don't know what world these folks live in, but I tend to focus on the real world.

Employment at the "Legacy Carriers" is becoming less and less attractive to me these days. Don't think I'm gonna be heading in that direction. Threats are a little school yard don't ya think?

Pilots don't get to choose what aircraft their airlines fly, MANAGEMENT AND THE MARKETS make those decisions. THE ONLY thing we AS pilots have control over is the speed and altitude we chose to go from A to B. Not crazy about every decision thats been made by this airline's management, but that's life in the 121 world.

If or when it comes my time to fly the E 190, don't expect me to fall on my own sword. That is unless we all collectively intend to provide us (pilots who refuse to fly it) with either the unemployment income or another job..., any takers.., didn't think so.., so much for "solidarity."

I'm gonna continue to do my job as I would expect any professional pilot to do. If it makes you all happy, when or if our union ever gets it's collective self together, we'll see about better pay. Don't hold your breath. So there it is.., do with this what you will. Don't get me wrong, I love my profession, myjob and the folks I fly with, hell I even like who I fly for (RAH).

Imagine that, a pilot who actually enjoys working for the airline he flys for, what a concept.

You'll make a great chief pilot or DO at a commuter.. glad you're happy with the state of the "Free market" and the industry.. me? I wonder why I can't even get into a taxi cab without it being price regulated, but the airlines have to fight a cutthroat race to the bottom in the "Free Market"

A test you failed back when all you did was bash GoJet, then when you got furloughed and it became all about "me me me" you decided to go there...:rolleyes:

Some of the content of this thread is absolutely unreal. Let’s see where do I begin? We have some 21 year old FO talking to a veteran mainline pilot trying to lecture him about a contract that he didn't even get to vote on? Are you kidding me Toilet? Are you on second year pay yet at good ole RAH? Until I see you at the front of the picket line please don't lecture someone who YOUR company put on the street. If it was up to him he would have had a scope clause in place, but it wasn't his choice. He simply worked his way up in the ranks like you're trying to do and went to a very reputable major airline. Now he has to watch a bunch of 20 year old cocky flight instructors tear his entire career down. He has to witness pilots who can barely afford Ramen Noodles fly the same size aircraft on the same routes for $30/ hour less than he was.

Sorry to burst your bubble RAH guys but you will forever be talked about in the exact same manner as MESA & GOJET. I hope you don't have to many commuters over there! Because I know several guys at mainline and regional airlines who are very aware of this situation and will not allow RAH guys on the jumpseat. Maybe its managements fault who knows. The bottom line is if you guys bend over and allow this to happen, you better move to base and fast!

I will deny the JS for any RAH pilot who is pro 190. This race to the bottom has to end, and if it has to get ugly then so be it.

Why would you think I'm 21?

Wasn't ours either. But since some feel it's ok to throw mud on the faces of the pilots here, which had no say, then some things needs to be made quite clear on who is actually to blame.

Don't be so naive to think it's us that's doing it. That airline is anything but reputable. It's the closest thing to Lorenzo since Lorenzo.

Only by a pile of idiots. RAH was not created some alter ego that we chose to go work for simply for a super quick upgrade sidestepping other pilots. It is a regional like any other that's contracted to fly aircraft for mainlines. There was no picket line to cross, no work actions taken, no alter egos.... There was only a huge hole in the midwest contract that those pilots voted on and didn't button up. We don't want those aircraft here but we're not ignorant as to how they came to be. Get your head out of the sand.

Are you sure? You know several mainline and regionals guys that will not allow RAH guys to jumpseat? I haven't met any. Jumpseats are not political tools. They ride on us and we ride on them. I think you're completely full of it.

Apparently just about everyone but you do. RAH pilots didn't know about this till the press release and these aircraft became available through request from Midwest thanks to a complete lack of scope protection in their contract.

What do you mean "If we allow this to happen"? What is it you think can be done by us? Simply say "i'm not flying it" and get fired or penalized? You're just talking to hear yourself talk since nothing you've said is rational. You have any idea what a J/S war does? You think it only goes one way? Give me a break. Unless they are complete fools they'll no better. Does make it easy to see which group you're in.

This has to be one of the most unintelligent posts on here. I do agree with you about Toilet. He needs to tone it down a little. One thing you fail to realize is that when this all started, Midwest pilots held a rally or protest in MKE. We at RAH went there to stand beside them and protest. So don't put thoughts and actions onto us that we aren't doing. The several guys you know at mainline and at regionals probably have the same intelligence level as you if they were to do something that ignorant.