Because of RAH I'm on the street
 

On behalf of myself, my family, especially my kids at home, I'd like to thank RAH and their 170s and 190s for forcing me to leave the industry. I really hope you guys enjoy making less than half the salary when you're flying MKE-LAX. All the best!

You're on the street because you negelected to have proper scope clause protection in your contract. Look no further than the mirror for someone to blame.

Actually an arbitrator threw out our subcontracting protection. Management must've handed him a bigger bag of money under the table. Last one to the gutter wins. That's where we're ALL going.

Those are pretty harsh words for someone riding the left seat of a 172/Warrior. Have somebody come and undercut YOUR job and see how you feel.

Not to mention the RAH pilots failure to say NO to CRAP payrates for NINETY NINE SEAT AIRPLANES.

Damn you RAH, Damn you.

our 99 seat pay rates were negotiated in 2003-2004. we are in contract negotiations now, get over yourself.

So because it was 6 years ago it's ok?

No sir, you need the reality check.. I'm glad you're in negotiations, but RAH pilots need to use the unity that i'm seeing in defense of your abominable company..and use it to stick it to management and get what YOU want and what the industry so very badly needs.

Wow then your "99" seat pay rates were really bad. Considering what JB and US make on 190s.

Even IF they get better rates for the E190, RAH shouldn't be flying that type of plane around with Midwest Connect on the side...

Isn't that from Planet Of The Apes? Good usage of a classic quote.
George Taylor:You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

And this little piggy had none, and went wee wee wee, all the way home.

I dont think he's saying that's its okay because it's 6 years ago. He and I are saying that we are working on competitive compensation for our work. I deserve better compensation for my works and money & time that i invested in my career. Honestly, i rather fly 145 than 170/190 and lots of guys/gals at RAH doesnt want 190.!!! I'm currently on the street and i rather be on the street little longer than to be placed in 190. Yea, we work for the company but why get abused and used to be compensated for same amount of $$$??? Like i said and many RAH pilots, who cares what we fly? Its all nice airplanes! WE ARE LOOKING AND DEMANDING BETTER CONTRACT!!! No one knew about this. THere was a rumor out there but it was just a rumor. I hope RAH pilots draw a line but i think its not appropriate to call us a scab when we all found out today.
I asked this question couple of times but no one seems to have an answer to my question. What's the difference bt 170 & CRJ900?? Why are 170 drivers called scab?

Yep it sounded like what a scab would say.

Some Skyway guys may call that karma...

FWIW Midwest has been circling the drain for quite awhile...

If it wasn't RAH, it would be someone else. They're not the only regional looking for more flying. They all are. RAH just happens to already fly the 170s/175s and was ready for the 190 flying. I know a couple Republic pilots and it would kill them to know they were replacing mainline jobs. What are they going to do? Quit? They, just like most pilots at RAH and every other regional, are just using RAH as a stepping stone to build time and move on.

I don't see 50% of the Republic seniority list from Midwest (like Skyway was to us). I don't see Republic offering to pick up all 400 pilots like we did for Skyway.

All I got for Christmas was my $25 gift card from TPG..............

Unless you're actually flying for a 121 operation please refrain from those kinds of comments. You're trying to degrade someone with a plethora of time and experience in this industry...

I like the lemming mentality you possess. Jump off the cliff! Jump!

Don't worry, Skywest will underbid them on their next contract.

Whoops. Did I type that?

Look, I don't condone what RAH is doing. I feel awful for the Midwest pilots, I really do. Your pilots had a great airline that provided a product that was unmatched. However, you must have left something very important out of your contract called scope protection. What happened to US Airways, United, Delta, and Northwest should have been a wakeup call. Do you really think I like to see Major airline pilots on the street while Regional pilots are getting jobs? Absolutely not! I'm just pointing out to you that you can't run around screaming Damn RAH and their pilots! Those guys sent out their apps and got hired by RAH. Sure there are probably a few tool bags that went there to fly the mighty E-170, but I would be willing to bet that most of them went there because they needed a job.
Look at:
Mesa..CRJ-700/900s
Skywest..CRJ-700/900s
Comair..CRJ-700/900s
Compass..EMB-175s
PSA..CRJ-700s
ASA..CRJ-700/900s
Mesaba..CRJ-900s
Pinnacle..CRJ-900s

Yes it really sucks that RAH broke the 100-seat barrier, but they're not the only regional out there flying around jets that belong at mainline. Be ****ed at your contract committee and your management.

BTW, I don't work for RAH..

Lois: Peter,why are we stopped?
Peter: Yeah, I'll have three cheeseburgers...
Lois: Peter for God's sakes she's havin' a baby!
Peter: Oh that's right...and a kid's meal... and uh,I, I guess I'll have fries...if I have fries is anyone else gonna have any? Cuz,uh I don't wanna be the only one eatin' them... I'll feel like a fatty.

Enjoying yourself RAHpilot? You celebrating tonight? EMB190 at 35 per hour huh? Kind of interesting how there was one or two RAH apologizing for this at first then the rest have come on making fun of others and defending this move by their management.

Honestly, no. I'm awaiting what the union is going to say.

I really dont care what everyone thinks about RAH as a whole. Was I responsible for scope erosion? No. I was playing T-ball when these decisions were made so if you want to hate me. ok. I wont stop you. I do believe your anger is misguided. I dont care. I do care making this profession better and what is happening now, I have no control over

I am not involved with managmentents decisions. I just show up and fly a plane.

Oh and to the one that started this thread. Really? REALLY!? Your mad at us (me) for stealing your job. Maybe I should have been involved with those business decisions when I was playing T-ball.:rolleyes:

*EDIT* since you edited your post.

Whos making fun? Im just throwing quotes from family guy out to lighten the mood. I am not raining on anyones parade. I truely hope our contract we are fighting for is an industry leader so it helps everyone.

I'll just post family guy quotes to make people laugh and to relax a little.

Nope, not defending it. We're working the issue internally. Just don't like other regionals taking a "better than thou" attitude.

Just remember in the grand scheme of things, all regionals have "stolen" someone else's flying, and all majors have let it happen.

Plus, while I'm drunk and at the keyboard...

Anyone that flies any non-american aircraft has cost someone a job.
Anyone that has bought a car made overseas (including the big three) has cost someone a job.
Anyone that shops at WalMart has cost someone a job.

And what exactly is the union going to do if their members have the attitude of I just show up and fly the airplane? The union is you.

No, it's RAH or nobody. I can't believe the pilots of RAH don't think enough of their group to think that they could not make a stance with the BOD's of the company. If enough of you went ape #$$t with the BOD's, it could make a difference.

This whole ordeal is NOT about two airplanes and you know it. If you are truly against this, get together as a whole and beat down the doors in IND.

on another note.

Lois: Okay, one more minute, and then if there are two pink lines...
Peter: Oh god, I hope you're not pregnant, we can't afford another kid. We already got Chris, Stewey, Richie, Joanie, Greg, Marsha, Bobby, Jan, Mike Seaver, Carol Seaver, Boner, Urkel, Mr. Furley...
Brian: Peter those aren't your kids, that's the Nick-at-Night lineup.
Peter: Blanka, Zangeif, Chun-Li, Guile, E. Honda...
Brian: That's Street Fighter.
Peter: Red, blue, green...
Brian: Those are colors.

Move on to what? I think we're about to witness one of two things: The end of Midwest Airlines (most probable) or the dawn of the "virtual airline" (less likely but scarier in its implications). The former is the most painful in the short-term but probably the best outcome in the long-term. The latter...well that just scares the brown stuff out of me.

Here's the way this works; always has, always will.

A pilot group picks up flying. Another pilot group says "Hey! That was our flying! I'm on the street because you guys do it cheaper!!! SCAB!!!"

I'm sorry your on the street. The reason your on the street may or may not be your fault. It may be because you got hosed in arbitration and had a valid contract thrown out (not your fault). It may be because you never negotiated a reasonable scope clause into your contract (your fault). Point being...am I supposed to now put myself on the street so you can have your job back?

Sold by Midwest Airlines marketing......check
Offering cookies on the flight......check
Now your planes will have award winning Ricaro seats....check
The side of your planes says Midwest.....check

gee it certainly sounds like they are doing "our" flying.

Some of y'all will probably never see the forest through the trees and will always take the "I just come here to fly airplanes and move on dee-dee-dee" stance. But every time one of those RAH 190s takes off, it's just another nail in the coffin for our profession.

And what set of circumstances made it so you were unable to protect YOUR flying?

You can't afford to support yourself anyway. The Midwest pilots make enough to support families and own a house. A Chautauqua first officer barely makes enough to live in a cheap apartment and have a little left over for beer money.

There's a reason I don't come to this site anymore. It's the same people saying the same thing over and over again. I'd love to see what would happen if CAL loosened up scope and allowed XJET to fly 170's. I don't think you would sound so holier-than-thou.

That's what Gojet pilots said. It never ends... there's always someone to blame. RAH pilot should focus on what's best for the industry rather than their I just do my job attitude, it willl be better for them in the long run. If there's a mainline jet waiting for me at the gate, nothing I can do about it! Pathetic

HA! Not really. And on that note, I'm outta here. See ya'll in 6 more months when something else happens that is somehow my fault!

Brian Bedford Jesus Warrior.....check
Tim Hoeksema the antichrist......check
ALPA National not knowing anything about the scope in the 90's (it was their lawyers who helped us with our FIRST contract).....check
DALPA signing off on their scope relaxation before Bedford enters equation.....check
An arbitrator ruling a "connect" as a "code share"......check

The perfect storm.

Here it comes United and Continental. This is the mentality you will see except will be talking about trans-atlantic flights.

I don't want to see them here. I think it sucks that they are. So to that I thank the Midwest guys for having the weakest contract and unity around. My hopes of going to mainline are diminishing all around me simply because a group "lived in the now" a little too much and didn't have the motivation to strike. I'm upset to no end by them being here. Upset at the Midex guys for letting it happen. There was one place to stop this and that was it. Now my only hope is we go balls to the wall on payscales reflecting both CA's and FO's with this one and either make it nice or us to bad enough where it doesn't become feasible to keep them. That's the last and only play we have left now that they've been dumped on our table. JBLU rates or bust at a minimum. A crack in the damn this is. Hopefully other MAINLINE pilots will write their companies how they don't like doing business with someone that's directly competing with them. The 190 is considered a mainline aircraft by DOT since it can fit 100 seats. I work here and yea it'd suck for us losing the midex, dal, or US Air flying but it'd still be the right thing to do to keep these out of a regional. With DAL and others wanting to cut flying I'm sure a stern warning from them to RAH would put things back in order.

With all the talk in the media about regional pay/experience I can't think of a better time to talk to your local congressman or media about how your jobs are being directly replaced by lower paying and less experienced pilots.

If this isn't a lesson on how important scope is I dunno what is.

Hey duck, when can we strike? Study the RLA. Tell our fine former Neg Com Chairman whose now helping the IBT with your negotiations about our scope clause. He'll send you "7 letters in 7 days" about unity and integrity and all that BS.

I vote for Christian Bale to help our negotiators! Just have him go off on Seabury like he did on that lighting director.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrvMTv_r8sA
Listening to it again, he can say the same thing to the Republic pilots. "What don't you f@#$ing understand?"

I've read up on the RLA and yes you had opportunities in the past before all this happened. If you're asking when can you strike now? Well you can't the cow's already out of the barn.