Fact about 100 Seat A/C's at Regionals
 

It was only up until a few years ago that Air Wisconsin was flying 100 seat BAe-146's for United

Granted Captains were making 139$ an hour. But you ask anyone at this Company who was around to fly the 146 and they will tell you that it was the best days of their lives.

Maybe....juuuuuusssssttttt maybe RAH can negotiate a decent payscale for the 190....hey Alaska just got a 20% raise.....maybe this is a good thing.

I know im being foolishly optimistic....but hell....everything is so freaking miserable right now...it would be nice to see a glimmer of hope...then maybe one day I can justify how much money I spent on my education to get into this industry :(

No matter what rates Republic pilots negotiate, they are still nothing more than outsourced jobs of Midwest pilots! Therefore the anticipation for growth, stability, and long term opportunity has been shipwrecked within this industry.

Onfinal

I think folks need to keep a couple of things in mind at all times in this airline business...

One, we are employees, not board members. Those of us from the real legacy carriers...the ones no longer around...know a little about that.

Two...at some point in your career, you will either be on the inside looking out...or the outside looking in. Be prepared to discover just how far your altruistic ideals go when tested in the crucible of reality.

I think you will find that unionism is the finest in human idealism and the worst in human nature.

With all due respect, anybody who had those expectations when they were hired by a regional airline in the last 3-4 years didn't do their research...especially on that "stability" part.

As far as Air Wisconsin goes...

The August 2005 captain pay rates for the B146 from the 2001 ARW CBA represent about a 10% increase from the current year RAH 99 seat rates...yet still about 8% below current JetBlue E190 rates. Additionally, the top rate in the 2001 CBA for the B146 was for 2005 after 20 years of longevity...and it was $135.65. The top rate before the concessionary CBA went into effect in 2008 was $124.82, also for a 20 year captain.

I think I speak for everyone when I say I hope that Republic pilots can match the ARW 2001 CBA payrates +/- a couple percent for the E175 and get at or better than JetBlue for the E190.

Spoken like a true gentleman. I enjoy such exemplary feedback.

$139 10 years ago. What is that in today's dollars?

I think you will find that unionism is the finest in human idealism and the worst in human nature.[/quote]

You my friend could not have spoken a more true sentence. I can find nothing more to say.

Who gives a **** if they are "midwest" jobs??? If RAH pilot's are paid well for them, then that's all that matters...

I'm guessing the Midwest guys care...

Scenario:

You are a well paid Midwest pilot flying a 717.

You lose your job, and are now on the street.

A Replacement airlines pilot has just taken your old job, for a lot less money. (because I HIGHLY doubt they will negotiate proper pay.)

How do you feel?

And anybody else who is looking for some shred of stability in their lives.

Hey Stoki, are you forgetting that you have friends at RAH? Well, at least one.
I can hopefully speak for my coworkers and say that we will fight for proper pay and work rules.
Don't count us out before we even step into the ring.

Another RAH 190 thread??? Really...???

Typical Republic pilot excuse for their actions.

Come on... proper pay! You really truly believe you will get proper pay and work rules. Your company doesn't even pay xncl pay. Get real man...get real.

Says the pilot whose airline having jets is the sole result of selling out their union brothers & sisters who were employed at PDT & ALG...

What cost $139 in 1998 would cost $182.81 in 2008.

Genius and well put. That is the exact same reason Modern Liberalism will never work. Sounds good in theory, but will never work in reality.

True but that was before both Tex and I times. And also our MEC at the time was a joke from what I understand. But since then we have shot down the thought of having 900's for 200's rates.

Mongo only pawn in game of flight. The Kings have advanced because the pawns beat each other up and now board owned by kings.

Sorry, but we've been rooked.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Classic...... Hey Where All the White Women At?!?!?!?!?!?!?! :D

Hold on while I whip this out...:D I love that movie

Wow, you really got me there.
Grow up.

well what do you think is proper pay OHSTFU? What would you think you guys are worth to fly 100 people around. Anything but at least what Jet Blue or US Airways pays is BS....dont you think?

If you're flying a 100 seat jet around for less than 100 bucks an hour in the left seat and 60 bucks an hour in the right, it's a disgrace.

I hope Midwest goes out of business before these planes begin flying.

JetBlue and US Airways are the only other domestic E190 operators, and they both fall under your threshold for at least a portion of the payscale; Allegient does as well for their MD80s.

Also, doesn't Delta have E190 rates that fall below that threshold, for at least a portion of the payscale?

ahhhhhh i think you did step into the ring. They did replace midwest jobs! And your group had no problem doing it with a very weak contract in place. And now 190s, heck they should get 73s or buses and talk about pay rates and decent work rules later cause the pilot group will go fly anything.

My point exactly. These jets are DC-9s...but because they put "RJ" in the name of them, its somehow all of a sudden worth 40 bucks less an hour? Bullsh!t.

As a former PDT'er, I have often thought this same thing whenever I see a Brown Streaker criticize RAH.

Care to elaborate? this is one of the few stories i dont know...lol

The MEC's for PDT, ALG, and PSA met and agreed on what they would fly the CRJ's for so Airways couldn't whipsaw them against each other. After the meeting, the PSA MEC went behind PDT's and ALG's backs and undercut them to get the jets. According to the union people I flew with at PDT, PSA would have probably gotten the jets anyways, because they needed to get rid of the Dornier t-props. However, because of the way it went down, most PDT guys were not big fans of PSA.

Well aint that sum sh!t???

Someone with the caliber of experience that you have should have a better understanding of how detrimental the actions of your current company (RAH) are to the industry as a whole.

I understand you wanna stick out for your company, but this is ridiculous!

Good post Bond. I'm going to post these JetBlue and Republic rates, so people can really see the difference. Remember, most pilots think the JetBlue rates are low and they are currently working with their management on raising them. However, looking at the two companies side by side, you can see how low the Republic pilots are compensated for the same aircraft.

1st Year Jet Blue CA = $88/hr
1st Year RAH CA___ = $64/hr
1st Year Jet Blue FO = $40/hr
1st Year RAH FO___ = $23/hr
1st Year Jet Blue Total Cockpit = $128/hr
1st Year RAH Total Cockpit______ = $87/hr

4th Year Jet Blue CA = $94/hr
4th Year RAH CA___ = $75/hr
4th Year Jet Blue FO = $58/hr
4th Year RAH FO___ = $37/hr **This is the maximum pay for RAH FO's!
4th Year Jet Blue Total Cockpit = $152/hr
4th Year RAH Total Cockpit______ = $112/hr

Let me even go farther for you
12th Year Jet Blue CA = $110/hr
12th Year RAH CA___ = $96/hr
12th Year Jet Blue FO = $70/hr
12th Year RAH FO___ = $37/hr **still only $37/hr!
12th Year Jet Blue Total Cockpit = $180/hr
12th Year RAH Total Cockpit_____ = $133/hr

Now, there is a FACT you can sink your teeth around.

There are three possibilities here as to why this individual would write something that does not make sense at all like this (without any malice):

1) The individual has never been exposed to a life outside the sheltered life provided by his parents.

2) The individual comes from a long family tradition of line crossers, and he's been brain washed into thinking is ok to back stab his brothers and sisters.

3) Or simply Shinny Jet Syndrome has reached new heights among the early 20's wannabes on this site.

I'm trying to give this individual the benefit of the doubt, cause I don't think anyone could be that dumb.

its funny how everyone bashed on Mesa for bringing down the Regional industry..now we can thank Republic for the demise of the entire industry...This type of outsourcing is just unbelievable. Yes Air Wisky flew 100 seat airplanes for United back in the day but that was still a feed into the hubs, not a replacement as Republic is doing.

i bet if RAH started hiring tomorrow, the line would be out the door. You guys are funny.

Not to mention AWAC paid as good or better than united and had better work rules.

Why did you assume I'm a RAH employee?

I'm not.

Nor did I take a position on this current situation. If I did, it would be something like this...make your choice of where you want to work. Just remember...you don't get to dictate the rules...the best you can do is try to negotiate them, and in this employment environment, no pilot group has a strong hand, particularly in the regionals...them's the breaks.

The expression is "stick up", not "stick out", btw.

I wouldn't doubt that. RAH pilots must realize however that the short term raise in pay for flying their new aircraft will only transfer into less career earnings in the long run. And that goes for everyone. RAH pilots cannot accept this. Even though we are employees of a company we have the duty to a profession to maintain what is right. The same as we do our best to change policy that may have unsafe ramifications. You must come together and say no.