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80ktsClamp 05-29-2009 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by Poprocket (Post 619319)
For some of you older guys out there - don't fret. I'm a 31 year old regional captain, and I hear what you are saying and couldn't agree more. Sure, I make an OK living. But I'm a professional not due to my compensation, but because I have a desire to to a good job. I have self respect. I want to be a good example for my son. I take pride in doing a good job. These are reasons enough.

I feel it is necessary to press my pants and iron my own shirt. I feel the need to wear my hat. I do these things because I take pride in my work. I want others to see that I take pride in it as well. I keep my flight case void of stickers because I don't feel it is an advertising space. I stand up straight and walk with a purpose.

Was I in the military? No. A boy scout? Never.

If I choose to point a finger, than I point it at myself. If there is a problem, that's where the problem usually begins.

When I am told by a first officer that he/she has enjoyed flying with me, I know my job is done. I leave work with a smile on my face and the hope that I have convinced one more pilot to be a professional.

So don't worry old timers, there are a small group of us out there quietly trying to do our best to save this once great profession.

Matt S.
Pinnacle Airlines

As a former Pinnacle guy, I'm proud to see this. There are the guys that give it a bad rap (like the 9E guy in ATL the other day I saw getting coffee with an unbuttoned wrinkled shirt, messed up hair and unshaven), and there are guys like you. Keep it up, network, have a humble attitude, and you'll be out of there.

If you come over to the widget side of things, feel free to put stickers on your flight kit. I keep them professional but it sure does make finding it in a bagroom with 2000 flight kits a lot easier.

Now if we can just figure out away to undo scope creep and get some movement in this industry.

See ya around a-town.

ScaryKite 05-29-2009 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate (Post 619333)
Again, being a professional has nothing to do with the amount we make....

Definition of Professionalism:
Meticulous adherence to undeviating courtesy, honesty, and responsibility in one's dealings with customers and associates, plus a level of excellence that goes over and above the commercial considerations and legal requirements. :rolleyes:


I understand your cool little "definition" of professionalism. But sad to say in a Union work group...its a little more like this.
http://www.driventoexcel.com/images/...ssionalism.jpg

RatherBeFishing 05-29-2009 09:48 PM

I agree that the papers on the glaresheild are unprofessional. I agree that we have a professional job and need to act professionally. I will admit, however, that when I am on hour 4 of my sit in an airport that we have no crewroom in, I do not look or act like a professional. I am expecting to catch a lot of flack on here for admitting this. My company builds trips with a complete lack of regard for MY time. 4 plus hour sits in CLT are the norm. I did not sign up for this. I spend so much time sitting above the foodcourt in CLT that it makes me sick. As I said, we have no crewroom. Nowhere to store our bags. We lug all 70lbs of our s%#t with us for hours on end and are never out of view of the public eye. I absolutely will not go out of my way to act like a total professional in this situation. I consider it MY time when I'm at work and not being paid. I like to be comfortable when its "my time" so I will unbutton the collar and loosen the tie. I will put my earbuds in my ears and listen to the ipod. Frankly, I don't care at that point. I feel the company is taking 4+ hours of MY LIFE from me that I will never get back. They are doing this without paying me a single cent so no, I'm not going to go out of my way for them or for our pax. Sorry.

That being said, when I am walking to the airplane, my collar is buttoned and my tie is tight. No ipod and the hat is on. When I get to the gate I talk with the gate agent because I think it looks good, makes me look like Im on top of things to the pax. I make a nice bording announcement and keep newspapers and magazines out of view. At the end of the flight I say goodbye to all of the fine folks that flew with us.

When I am actually working I present myself with the utmost of professionalism. When the company is pi$$ing my time away, it aint gonna happen. Say what you want, I won't change, sorry.

meeko031 05-29-2009 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by nwa757 (Post 619292)
So we should work for less and still be professional?

just give a 100% in everything you do.. regardless.....that's what a professional is.. Even though I make minimum wage, I still make an effort to show up for work with an ironed shirt, clean slacks, polished shoes, show up on time for duty, help pax, rampers, and operate the flight. There are those who do just the minimum to get by and there are those who do what they are capable of. which one are you? there is always the door if you don't like your current situation!!! I'll gladly take your 757 seat and pay if you don't like it!!!:o The grass is always greener where you are at, you just have to change your perspective!!

enjoy your day my friend

80ktsClamp 05-29-2009 10:03 PM

Sits blow donkey balls... They are very high on my "most hated list" in this profession. I found them to be very fatiguing as well. The 9E guy in my post that you're probably referencing has a crew room to stow his stuff in.

If you're gonna sit and look like crap, take off your ID, wings and epaulets. Other pilots will be able to pick you out, but to pax you're just some dude with a weird shirt dragging a bunch of crap behind you. If you're going to keep the identifying items on, look as sharp as possible.

sandlapper223 05-29-2009 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 619335)
A bit cheesy dont you think? I appreciate the point you are trying to make but your statement comes off as a little self indulgent.

Stickers on the bag?


This subject is not cheesy, nor these convictions. Kudos to the original poster, because this is exactly what this profession needs – a little esteem. And I’ve got great news! Captains like Matt at Pinnacle and other airlines are just what we need.

First, these threads being denigrated by posters like “flyingsucks” are appalling to say the least. This just demonstrates that not only is every person allowed to read these posts, but any person can reply too! Use best judgment and disregard them like I do.

Second, every airliner is run by its Captain; every aspect from nose to tail. We need LEADERSHIP! Those that allow these awkward methods should be mortified! Newspapers laying all over the glare shield? As the aircraft commander, please stand up for yourself and your crew – and the public entrusting you with their safety.

Certain decision making and leadership skills are absent in today’s flying captains, as evidenced by this behavior. This is why it is intrinsically important to impart these skills to our newest aviators at the lowest level. Today’s captains were yesterday’s first officers, and everything we do as PIC is viewed by each person we make contact with.

You have a duty to operate your flight with utmost reliability, aptitude, and airmanship. Anything less and you should remove yourself.

ToiletDuck 05-29-2009 10:17 PM

If you give 100% at all times why should the company pay more? You're nothing but guaranteeing they'll get the same quality of service for less pay. While I understand the whole point of being a professional at all times it's a double sided sword.

RatherBeFishing 05-29-2009 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 619402)
If you're gonna sit and look like crap, take off your ID, wings and epaulets. Other pilots will be able to pick you out, but to pax you're just some dude with a weird shirt dragging a bunch of crap behind you. If you're going to keep the identifying items on, look as sharp as possible.


Not a bad idea. I think I may do that from now on. Don't know why this has never even crossed my mind.

meeko031 05-29-2009 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 619408)
If you give 100% at all times why should the company pay more? .


I didn't say I was expecting more pay by giving it my all. It's my work ethics I guess. You don't hand the customer two pieces of bread, half cooked patty, lettuce, cheese, onions, throw it in a bag, let them assemble it and say, here is your order because you are poorly compensated. You still have to do your job responsiblities! What you do beyond that is up to you. Hard worker and a professional is two different things...i guess No disrespect, I've read plenty of your post and mostly agree with what you say!!! I need a refill on my tall boy here in KFAT!

Dan64456 05-29-2009 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by joethepilot (Post 619098)
Yeah... doormen make a hell of a lot less than that and they act more professional than many pilots.

Actually, the doormen at my building average at about 32,000 a year... **** poor for the northeast, but at least they can afford a cheap lunch and a microwave dinner... Try that on 16 grand a year (while 75K or more in debt). I don't buy into that whole "paying your dues" nonsense. That's what we did in school - while PAYING for it. If you keep defending them, then it will only get worse.

Hell - for 16 grand, I'm surprised they don't moon or flip off the passengers on the way in. It's an insult. I guarantee - if you pay them like professionals, they will be MUCH more likely to act like them.


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