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Convairator 05-31-2009 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by RAHPilot5 (Post 620265)
Had to make another scrrename Joey cause you were banned huh?:D


HAHA.

I was wondering what had ever happened to SAAbrowski!!! I thought maybe he deserted our wonderful community in favor of the enemy forums (jetcareers, flight info, BOO, etc). APC

SkyHigh 05-31-2009 08:16 PM

Where?
 

Originally Posted by xtreme (Post 620136)
Where did you get that figure from?

Whacker, I suggest reading into some of the forums. That will give you a pretty good look into how the industry is. Might make you want to run away though... Keep in mind though that some people are always unhappy and will be complaining their entire lives. No matter where they are or what they are doing.

It seems to me that every 30 years there is manic hiring boom. The 1960's saw 250 hour new hires at the majors. We just saw the age of the 250 hour regional pilot.

I guess that would make it every 40 years.

Skyhigh

Purpleanga 05-31-2009 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Whacker77 (Post 620123)
Right now, I'm in a position where I can wait about another year to see if things improve and hiring starts again. Past that point, I may decide/need to move on to something else. I don't want that to happen though.

Is there any real chance hiring could take place in that time frame, or are there just too many guys on furlough who need to be called back in order to make that happen?

I get the sense things are improving, but who knows. Michael Darda is a CNBC contributor and a prominent economist for a well-known hedge fund. Last year, he was as big a bear as there could be, but today he has become a raging bull on economic recovery. He's got a good track record. I just thought I would throw that out so I could end on a positive.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

You will be able to find a job but it will only be at a place that no one would go to under normal hiring conditions, which means you'll be stuck. The others will not be hiring for a long time and there's actually talks about more furloughs at the regionals. The best part is once you actually make it to an airline 6 to 24 months from now you'll be making 20,000 with a very bleak future. Good luck! I can't imagine why anyone would be looking or training for the regionals.

kansas 05-31-2009 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 620268)
Seriously how could they ban the SAAB?! Welcome back LoL

Wow. Begin ridiculously high post count...NOW! :D

JoeyMeatballs 06-01-2009 12:47 AM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 620268)
Seriously how could they ban the SAAB?! Welcome back LoL

:D I missed this place, I love you people :)

Pielut 06-01-2009 04:34 AM

Even if there is a small amount of hiring is a CFI even competitive? There are lots of very experienced high time pilots out there scraping for employment. Yes there may be a trickle of hiring, how will you stack up to the competition.:cool:

wmuflyboy 06-01-2009 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by Pielut (Post 620438)
Even if there is a small amount of hiring is a CFI even competitive? There are lots of very experienced high time pilots out there scraping for employment. Yes there may be a trickle of hiring, how will you stack up to the competition.:cool:


we wont stack up unless you have tons of hours. ive pretty much accepted the fact that teaching is gonna be my job for a very long time. my ~1000/100 doesnt mean crap anymore. its called.....the rigors of CFIing....

Whacker77 06-01-2009 12:26 PM

I would say things are bleak, but I think there are two important things to consider. First, airlines entered this downturn with lean staffing. Even though there was a hiring boom in 2007, many weren't overstaffed when furloughs began. With few exceptions, individual company furloughs haven't been too high.

Second, the age 65 retirements may come a little sooner than we expect. While many may work past 60, I have heard from an AA pilot that most in his group don't expect to work past 62 or 63. That might bring back some industry wide hiring next year, or it may not.

I'm not an optimist by nature, but things could turn around sooner than we think. Still, I conceded it's pretty gloomey out there. Better than it was in January to March though.

Lighteningspeed 06-01-2009 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by wmuflyboy (Post 620443)
we wont stack up unless you have tons of hours. ive pretty much accepted the fact that teaching is gonna be my job for a very long time. my ~1000/100 doesnt mean crap anymore. its called.....the rigors of CFIing....

Not quite. In a year you'd have another 1000 hours so you would have 2000 hours, which is more than respectable for most regionals. Most good regionals like guys with a good amount of CFI time. CFI as much as you can in the coming months and rack up those twin times if you can. And get the ATP. It will give you the edge.

Looking at all the latest indications, 90% of the economists are predicting economic recovery by the end of this year so we'll see if airlines will start hiring again in a year's time.

Just know airline business is cyclical and very unstable. So if you are looking for any type of job security or guarantees that you will make to the majors, forget about it. There are guys out there right now who spent 9 to 10 years at a regional and left their regional CA job to go to the majors and a good many of them were furloughed last year and some are back to being an FO on another regional making about $24,000 a year with a family to support.

nicholasblonde 06-01-2009 09:58 PM

I could see some hiring in Spring 2010 for the summer peak season if the economy truly turns around in 4th quarter of this year...that's the earliest firm timeframe where I'd feel comfortable predicting some hiring...there seems to still be a trickle of folks retiring and just getting out of the industry, medicals busted, et cetera...

Why don't you do 135 once you hit 135 PIC mins? I think they're still hiring...might add some more variety to your background so you can say "you've done it all." Just a thought!!!


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