Originally Posted by grdprox
(Post 621432)
They ARE going to fly those planes whether WE like it or not. They have NO say in the matter.
They should have refused to bargain that size aircraft, allow it to go to arbitration, and the arbitor would have used "industry standard," or "industry average." both of which would have shown that it is a mainline aircraft, not a regional. The arguement that pilots always have NO control whatsoever over their equipment is an outright lie. While it is true in most cases, it isn't always true. This is one of the times it isn't. |
Originally Posted by maxjet
(Post 624640)
Here we go again with the juvenile behavior! You don't agree with what they are doing so they must be SCABS. This is a changing of the industry again. It is change! Deal with it! The sooner people like you come down from your ivory towers and join reality the better off the industry will be. There are so many more important things to be worried about. The media is all over this Colgan rest and pay issue. Spend some of you time sending letters to your elected officials and organizing your fellow workers about these important issues. You will never control the size of the aircraft but you may be able to change the rules and pay the go with flying them.
In the strictest sense/interpretation the word is not accurate... However, if all one focuses on are the effective results then the term is fairly accurate. It also needs to be considered that times change, the days of airline management waiting for their pilots to strike before replacing them is all but gone. Much simpler to just outsource to regionals that are flying larger and larger aircraft every day. Perhaps the strict definition of the word needs to be reviewed in light of the developments in the last few decades. |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 624720)
they are also doing it before the pilots obtain the opportunity to strike over the issue. So, in effect there is some validity to the use of the term.
Perhaps the strict definition of the word needs to be reviewed in light of the developments in the last few decades. |
Originally Posted by 3XLoser
(Post 624734)
Everyone is using the word STRIKE. What do you call someone who replaces a pilot who was LOCKED OUT? Midwest pilots were locked out after they refused to fly for Republic wages, and that makes their replacements...
As I said, the term has been around for decades... times have changed, and the methods by way management replaces/outsources/locksout/subcontracts our jobs has also changed. The definition if the word needs to be reviewed. It very well may apply in this case. IMHO, it does. |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 624924)
It very well may apply in this case.
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 624258)
For the love of God people, REPUBLIC PILOTS ARE IN CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS!
Damn management for the loss of jobs, lament the payrates put in their contract in 2003 if you want (payrates more or less equivalent to ARW B146 rates) that are now being applied to a currently-mainline airplane...but give those pilots an opportunity to surprise everyone before the "s" word starts getting ignorantly thrown around... Regardless of what rates they negotiate.... they did take those jobs didn't they.... they took them knowing the mainline pilots were basically locked out, right? what would you call it? |
Why can't I send PMs
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Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 625028)
Regardless of what rates they negotiate.... they did take those jobs didn't they.... they took them knowing the mainline pilots were basically locked out, right? what would you call it?
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
(Post 625033)
Why can't I send PMs
EDIT I take that back because I can send them to "The Far Sides" |
On another note I wouldn't be surprised if the company comes after you for posting internal memos. The information you've posted about yourself makes it very easy to find out who you are. Just something to think about before you do it again.
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