Yay to both

affirm to two both those

Your kidding me right!!!!!!!! Is it a common occurance for you Colgan guys to go to stick shaker? How often do you do it, once a trip? Jeez!!

Question for Colgan guys.

Do you guys fly REF on landing of do you split the bug between REF and REF/ICE?

In all my years in the business, the only time I've ever seen the stick shaker is in the sim. Are you guys serious? This is downright scary.

Indeed, Bill Brasky was the Chief pilot for Colgan, however, they offered him a leave of absence because he was constantly eating passengers and that was throwing off the weight and balance of the beech 1900's. Thus always landing out of CG.

On a side note, I once saw Brasky eat the bible while water-skiing.

Bored and Emb,

Just from reading previous post by both in other areas, I'm "assuming" you're both former QX Q400 drivers?

I ask because I started reviewing Colgan's SOP in the NTSB docket...from what their SOP calls on an approach with verticle guidance, it says they are to be configured and "Before Landing" checklist complete no later than 1nm to the FAF.

Sounds to me like they are getting the airplane too slow before starting down on the GS...

Any opinions?

Yes.

That was my first impression after hearing about all these stick shaker occurances. You really gotta be behind that plane to get it that slow. It's really not a hard airplane to fly if you are paying attention.

I aslo assume that if they are flying at REF on landing then it's pretty easy to approach stick shaker. Horizon teaches Q400 pilot to split the bug between REF and REF ICE.

FYI, REF ICE isnt an Ice speed. It's just how its labled in that plane. Kinda like V-AP in in some jets

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hahe, i've been told I fly the airplane sooo slow in cruise that i'd might as well ride the Shaker on and off the whole time. Block or Better!