If branded is "shuts" down, how can branded still be in the red?

Boiler, you missed the part where he talked about the pay cut. Yep, contract signed in 04 with vastly different climates between the CHQ and XJT. Contract extended in 2006. Pay concessions in 2008, STILL under different circumstances. CHQ did pretty well on that CBA, we BOTH know that. I'm tired of telling people that as it falls on deaf ears, seems as if you've taken on the crusade.

XJT is working under a concessionary agreement.

You have to use smaller words when dealing with XJTers Boiler.

If its XJT Riddle-Diddles, don't even bother injecting common sense into the discussion. They won't know what to do. :D

Well, that was certainly spoken like someone who has no clue about this industry. You should at least research the topic a little before you make a comment.

Even if XJT was doing the flying for $1 they are still one of the industry leading contracts for a regional, still not good pay, but they have among the best performance metrics in the business. And they are not taking a loss. You should read some financial filings every once in a while or an earnings call if you are going to pretend to know anything.

But you are doing a great job at attempting to break up any unity the pilots inthis industry are trying to build.

Good Luck

Maybe I'm just used to/expect poor ground service, but I think ORD ground is pretty good. Or maybe you're talking about IAD, and I'm not awake yet.

The basic answer is that United has contracted out ExpressJet Charter for a temporary agreement that basically spans the summer flying months. This flying is at negotiated rates well above that for the CPA flying, with the disadvantage being that it is just a short period of time.

Charter itself is doing very well, and had you been in Branded flying you would have seen an amazing level of customer satisfaction AND brand name loyalty. At today's fuel prices, Branded would have been doing very well.

so basically, no one really knows what xjt is charging? :rolleyes:

Nah I saw that...but one has to consider what basis those concessions were taken from. XJT payrates are concessionary yet better because they were taken from the 2004/2006 payrates; kinda like how ARW's CL65 payrates from the concessionary 2003 CBA were and are still near the top of the industry (because they were taken from the 2001 CBA which as you noted was built upon by ACA and CMR agreements).

I just hate the revisionist history of those claiming CHQ signed their CBA "for growth"; either through folks' malice or ignorance, it completely discounts the climate of Section 6 talks in 2003 and those gains that CHQ obtained in their agreement which is being so widely maligned here now in 2009.

As they say, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it...

I have a question for a expressjet pilot: Is ORD and IAD being offered as a temporary base or do they commute you in for your trips?

CLE and EWR crews are covering the flying, with trips originating out of CLE and deadheads out of EWR.