TSA PILOTS 2 DAYS to VOTE!!!
 

Rumor has it that only 60% of Trans States Pilots have placed a vote regarding an authorized strike. Voting closes on June 10th!!! I have personally heard captains say that they just threw out the letter from the union, not even realizing or caring that personal voting information was included. This is CARELESS!!! This is one of the contributing factors to why Trans States is the ******************** Hole that it is today! Let me remind you that we are an airline and we set standards for the industry and we are currently less mesa rates!!! Listen to your Union officials and trust them through this CBA negotiating process and cast your vote before it's too late. Show UNITY and prove to the company that you will stand together as fellow pilots to get what we deserve. I am highly dissapointed in the lack of turnout for such an important point in Trans States pilot history!!! If you have not voted-SHAME ON YOU!

Before you start bashing the pilots for not voting you should know that the union reps (P2P) said that if you are on the fence about voting yes or no, then don't vote.

I was also told that if 60% (all voting pilots) vote YES, is better than having 100% of pilots voting with a 60/40 split.

And yes I did vote.

You make a good point, But mine is, why are so many on the fence?? I am dissapointed in the apathy expressed among many of the pilots....

If you were a senior captain pulling in 80-90k with years of seniority you'd be reluctant too. In the airline world, one is USELESS outside of the company they are in, especially in this economy. Some are scared the company will close and many of them just cannot accept that.

FOs have less to lose by nature.

If I were a senior captain, I'd want to take this one and ONLY chance to secure a senior spot at an airline for the rest of my career. Without job protection, even the number 1 guy is going to lose is job within a couple years.

The company can/will close its doors someday and the decision will be based on the finances of the company, not a CBA. If the numbers jive, the pilots will have "job protection". If the numbers don't jive, there is no "job protection". A business faces these same challenges regardless of whether it's workforce is unionized or not.

This fact doesn't change, unfortunately. Making more money, having better scheduling rules, a commuting clause (likely a bad one anyways), etc is definitely needed. But the risk of losing one's job due to economic forces remains. Now, if the lists could be merged, then you'd have something. Short of that, I can see the viewpoint of some of the reluctant captains.

I think it is as clear as day that Hulas is planning on utilizing G7 as the new money maker within TSH. TSA will likely be around for some time to come, but will stay very small (in order to specialize in the small 50 seat market that remains while the other regionals move toward larger equipment) or perhaps ultimately end up as a charter airline only. That is only my opinion, however.

There is job protection short of merging the lists. Of course the economy could get worse and all of TSH could be shut down, but that's not what I'm talking about. The job protection we are looking for is protection from losing our jobs to G7, not the economy. A list size ratio between the two companies would be an example, as would merging the lists. We'll see how the negotiating committee decides is the best way to set that up.

I'm disappointed by your judgmentalism. Who put you in charge of deciding what everyone else should do?

Right. With all the clout they have they should be able to force through any plan they want (dripping with sarcasm).

....dripping with something.

We'll see how the negotiating committee decides is the best way to come to an agreement with management on the issues.

I'm not going to explain AGAIN how a strike provides some leverage because I'm sure it'll go over your head once again

That's OK. I think I get the general concept. Something like;

• TSA pilots authorize a strike by an overwhelming majority
• TSA management becomes terrified and totally caves giving TSA pilots whatever they want.
• GoJet pilots suffer.

Did I miss any parts?

Now I'm really glad I didn't explain it again because you definitely proved it has gone over your head.

You're so ignorant it boggles my mind. Why do you have an avatar that makes you look like a queer in front of a go! airplane if you're go jets anyway?

Riiiight. Your dealing with some complex matters in your mind. It must be hard to even relate to normal people.

Sorry you didn't get my avatar. That's a little joke. That is not me in front of the Mesa plane. It is a picture of Jonathon Ornstein. I know it's hard to tell because it is a small photo of J.O. I don't care that much for J.O. but I never really thought he looked like a "queer." I don't really think J.O's sexual preference is relevant here anyway. Mine either for that matter. Do you think Jonathon looks like a "queer?"

You don't deny the fact that you're Go Jets though.

Welcome to the thread troll. Once again, TSA pilots talk about the future of their jobs at TSA and how it's important for TSA pilots to say unified for the sake and future of their jobs at TSA.


WHERE does your company fall in all of this? The company has made it very clear by naming TSA as a LLC and taking "inc." out of everything we have in our manuals.

There's the issue of the unions and the seniority list. How would they do that? Plus in order for this to have happened it would probably mean big concessions in exchange for stopping the alter ego. Hulas will win either way.

It's definitely dripping with something else. Bull****. You should stay out of things you don't have any business in. Enjoy the dirty looks around the airport and lonely empty gate lunch dates with your scab buddies for the rest of your life.

The Inc to LLC thing means nothing for the pilots. Its a simple way to give more tax options and reduce corporate formalities. Doing it now probably means that the company thinks things are a low as they'll be for a while - could be interpreted as good news actually.

[QUOTE=jaded;625468]It's definitely dripping with something else. Bull****. You should stay out of things you don't have any business in. Enjoy the dirty looks around the airport and lonely empty gate lunch dates with your scab buddies for the rest of your life.[/QUOTE

Well said.

You KNOW I would vote but....cant...

[quote=JayHub;625501]JayHub. The adults are trying to have a conversation. Please don't be rude.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=laserman2431;625609]Yes, WE adults are. I think I replied to Jaded, whom I know personally . Its funny how many people have YOU on their ignore list

[quote=JayHub;625634]On a different thread, JayHub said "Tic- toc...Gojetters...Tic-toc." Regarding his TSA strike and revenge fantasy.

you and bond are seemingly the "dirty look bash brothers". i hope i don't ever get one of those looks. i don't know if i'll be able to handle it.

Hahaha. yea. I don't know what I'll do if I get a dirty look from one of those big meanies. Oh my god. What if they don't even look at me?I don't know if I could handle the trauma.

Then maybe you should quit.

Ok, can we attempt to put this thread back on track, here's a question. When do we find out the results? Will we find out tomorrow or do we have to wait for them to be certified.

Here's an idea. How about staying out of a thread for TSA pilots if you have nothing constructive to say? Go start your own gojet thread. This is about our vote. You don't work here, you have no say in it. Bugger off...

I've seen that done. Weren't you one of the ppl with nothing constructive to say in those instances? Perhaps then, it was you who should have "buggered off".

*how does one "bugger" something?

If your vocabulary is lacking, try dictionary.com for some info on that last part... As for the first part, helping pilots who ask for info about gojets avoid an alter ego operation IS constructive.

really?

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ring-pool.html

you're post in this one was incredibly constructive. as for the bugger off thing, tu che.

Come on guys. Seriously?

Useless flamebaitish bashing. It's easier to lock it than give out infractions at this point. Thread closed.