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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 626186)

I am not saying there are not cases where pilots truly are fatigued but increasing our rest will have a very very negative effect on our QOL. Our trips will be less productive, and our days off will go down. I think the overall lifestyle and pay has more to do with feeling rundown than an actual duty day. If we were paid more we would not have to fly close to 100hrs to pay the bills and have some extra cash (for those that don't need to fly 100hrs, your lucky, living in Hoboken, NJ and paying off school loans is a KILLER)

anyway I just wanted to point out that more rest is not neccesarly the solution.............

discuss

I think the worst thing on any trip is long sits at airports. Everyone gets more weary with 4.5 hour layovers than if you kept going. Talk about unproductive trips? Look at some of Comair's trips (I'm sure other's too). You can work a 14 hour day with three 1.5 hrs flights. Sitting in an airport with no crew area, you can't just lie on the seats like the passengers do. Next thing you know, CNN would be video taping you sleeping in the airport and reporting improper crew rest.

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Originally Posted by Lowlevel (Post 626940)

If there is not an adequate crew room, and no offer of a company paid hotel room, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't just crash out on the seats like anyone else. Let the newsies film you. It's absolute BS that you would be given a long layover with nowhere to go. THAT needs to be exposed to everyone. If the only place to rest is in the gate area, go for it, and let the chips find their way up to the sh!tty management that allows that kind of abuse.

Why would you even want to cover up (at your expense) for arse-poor management?

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Originally Posted by LoudFastRules (Post 626973)

Easier to just call fatigued. A few of those and they might change things.

Sure, if you're lucky enough to work for a company that doesn't punish pilots for calling in fatigued.

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Originally Posted by LoudFastRules (Post 627048)

Sure, if you're lucky enough to work for a company that doesn't punish pilots for calling in fatigued.

Does such a place exist????:eek:

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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 627049)

Does such a place exist????:eek:

Fatigue calls are now handled through ASAP at XJT and are non-punitive.

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Originally Posted by LoudFastRules (Post 627048)

Sure, if you're lucky enough to work for a company that doesn't punish pilots for calling in fatigued.

Punish all they want. The call I make right after I hang up with scheduling will be to the FSDO that oversees the certificate.

Most companies record conversations with scheduling/dispatch.

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Originally Posted by Bond (Post 627059)

Fatigue calls are now handled through ASAP at XJT and are non-punitive.

Some companies will refuse the ASAP report. Because they say "You avoided a situation by calling in fatigued, therefore there is no reportable event" its all BS to keep it out of ASAP

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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 626186)

I agree, however I don't think it would be a good idea to increase rest beyond 10 hours. 10 hours would be perfect, allowing a crew to get a solid 8 hours of sleep, considering it's usually 2 hours by the time you get into bed after blocking in.

8 hours of flight, 10 hours rest, and 12 hours of duty would allow our trips to be productive and eliminate some of the useless sitting around we do.

If you really want to get creative call your representatives and propose the Airline Reform Act, guaranteeing crewmembers 14 days off a month for fatigue and sanity purposes.