If your CEO did this...
 

had a midwest jumpseater who had a wise understanding of their unfortunate deal.

if your regional company/ceo (skywest, asa, mesa, pinn, etc) did exactly what republic did to midwest. how would you as the pilot group do anything differently?

- understand you as the pilots have no control over the decision to get 190's.
- if your company now decided to get 170's or 190's i'm sure no one would complain or not bid for it.
- you've been with the company for 10 years plus when the pilot group was only 250 flying saabs and jetstreams. and now getting denied a jumpseat from midwest b/c you are considered scab to them. ofcourse he knew 190's were coming back then.
- if not republic. it WILL GO TO SOMEONE ELSE.

the jumpseater an FO had an unfortunate situation where his capt denied a chq pilot. didnt feel good about it. even though he know he'll be on the streets soon.

again, as a regional guy, if this happened to you and your company. how would it be any different?

im hearing words like scab, bottom feeders, worse then gojets, towards republic pilots and f/a's.
yes, its not fair and sucks to be in midwest shoes, but i dont think republic pilots are scabs. they didn't vote on nothing and have nothing they can actively do to prevent this.

its not just midwest, history has shown other pilots groups getting hosed nearing the end of their company's existence.

It is what it is dude, you're profitting from another airlines demise, albeit self-imposed in the form of a cave in scope...

For starters, I wouldn't be so bold as to try to jumpseat on the company I'm screwing over.

Even if I did, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if I was denied the jumpseat.

I dont think anyone could underbid Colgan so this is a non issue with me.

Haha ain't that the truth!

You know every time I commute on United, one of the Pilots invariably asks me "So, when are you getting more Jets?" What a freakin' cop-out! It is their MEC allowing their company to outsource! What can I say?

If he wants an answer... Tomorrow...

Remind me to use that one when I don't have to make it home or to work until a later flight ;)

But seriously...I'm a young guy, so do they think I want to fly an RJ around for the rest of my career capped at $80K or so a year? :eek::rolleyes:

You're right...it is what it is. So tell us:

Since management made the decision to screw the MidEx pilots, when you are in their shoes, will you resign on principal? Or keep flying?

When management has pushed you to fly sick, with an airplane that needed maintenance, when you were tired...did you walk off the plane?

When you were fatigued...did you delay the flight?

Have you ever been on strike?

When someone else was, did you honor their line and refuse to cross it to fly your plane...in solidarity?

As you said, it is what it is...so what IS your response? Are you one of US, who have, or just an armchair QB passing judgement?

Speaking for those of us who have walked the walk, I can tell you that these guys are NOT SCABS, no matter what you may think. Though I would like to see YOU in their place. And your letter of resignation that you signed in solidarity.

I wouldn't resign, but would do my best to not gripe on the internet and make things happen by joining alpa or doing my best to voice my concerns on property. I would NEVER fly sick, or with a plane outside of maintenence, and if i was too tired to fly...see ya, job or no job, i'm not going to make a grave mistake due to management pressure. Fatigue is Fatigue, you're tired to that point, call in; good luck if they can you for that one. Never been on strike, but I would in an instant if my union and airline brothers/sisters deemed it so. I am one of us, in every way, shape and form, and in no way was my post an attempt to armchair QB ANY situation. I'm sorry if you feel thi way, I just was conveying my opinion of RAH destroying the market and taking advantage of a terrible working condition to exploit some great people. I didn't use the word SCAB, so stow that talk right away please. And if you would like to start projecting me into others place, remember, we're ALL in this together, dont' take a post as a wish for ANY airline to go under. Read more carefully please.

More like yesterday...










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Just a reminder to RAH pilots, our CEOs have NOT done this....

you're right. Your CEO takes his own flying and gives it to guys like you willing to fly a bigger plane for the same or less money to get around scope. :rolleyes:

apc.com search gojet pay. obviously they didn't get around scope otherwise there wouldn't be a separate list would there, it would be illegal. Now if you're talking about the AA scope then yes. But so have a bunch of other airlines started to get around major scope.

do tell what the pay was when GoJet started up....

I think it was the same as the Mesa CRJ7s.

ha ha that's funny. Just like Colgan didn't get around Pinnacle's scope, even tho the mediator said they did initially then went back and said, oh you are 2 separate companies even though the top management is all the same and the money is funneled from one company to the other...:rolleyes:

you keep telling yourself you are 2 separate companies.

Well yea they are separate companies. The issue is the seniority list. We don't have control over the past. Other than complaining on forums, what do you think should happen mooney?

Lets correct that...

Just a reminder to MEP pilots, RAH CEO's did this to us....

I hope you don't work for Pinnacle.... because if you do you are sorely misinformed as to what the scope lawsuit was about....

Do you deny Colgan pilots the jumpseat?

Airwillie, if Hulas had purchased the 2 190's to fly for Midwest, and wanted to pay you GJ CRJ700 pay, what would you have done?

The answer is "I'd shut up and fly them" and I'll give you 2 GREAT reasons why.

1) He'd fire you if you didn't cause 618 doesn't care.

2) You couldn't possibly tell him to screw because thats what TSA tried to do. THEN, he'd start JetGo (GJ's alter ego) and pay them $2 less than you to fly a bigger plane because you didn't "secure the flying".

sooooo, you'd fly it.

ygtb kidding me. I've never brought colgan pilots into any of my posts. It's not their fault. DO a little search of my post before you throw false accusations....

why don't you educate me as to what the scope lawsuit was about......it says plain as day in our contract any flying will be done by pilots on the Pinnacle seniority list. Pinnacle forms Pinnacle Corp and buys Colgan to award turboprob flying to pilots who they can pay less money to....hires like crazy for a while on the COlgan side, meanwhile we are displacing CA's

Scope is there to prevent other pilots from another seniority list flying your aircraft/routes etc, and also to prevent the purchase/lease of aircraft for another company to be flown by the other company. If you have a different definition I would like to hear it....

Well played, 250...

My questions are: since it appears RAH will own Midwest sooner than later, when are the 717s going, are Midwest pilots interested in integrating, and could you fly for RAH given recent history?

Also is Republic going to fly 190s on the Midwest cert or the Republic cert or some other cert?

I hope he's denied a position on the RAH seniority list.

What goes around comes around.:mad:

Maybe Willie flies and open air biplane and likes to free his willie in the air stream at 100mph.....only a thought.:p

That is not true. NO other regional has negotiated rates and rules for 190's. Until RAH did it, there was no industry standard for it...

what does that have to do with taking their jobs? what is the point of that statement... help the rest of us out here...

again... what does this have to do with it?

You are taking their job.... not by walking past their pickline as a newhire of Midwest.... but by your company signing a contract that says you will do all of their flying, and you'll bring your own airplanes to do it... same end result... they didn't hire you directly to replace them, they hired your company to hire you to replace them... same end result... actually worse, since Boeing jobs are being replaced with EMB's...

So, regarding the jumpseat.... what did you expect?

Keep telling yourself that. Nobody else negotiated rates for 190's.... that will probably change now, since you guys have lowered the bar so much, others will be forced to compete or lose their jobs because of you too...

Already answered, over and over again, by everybody. if you don't grasp that concept by now, just give up

You guys should hear yourselves.... you say the same things, and sound exactly like the folks who are already on a really long list that gets passed from pilot to pilot, and is used regularly when deciding to accept jumpseaters or not....

you don't vote on anything to become a sc$%^b.... your actions dictate the title.... as for preventing it... the first chance to do that was in 2003 when your pilot group accepted and negotiated for 190's... the second chance was when you actually showed up to replace another pilot who had been furloughed/locked out.

Here you go again, trying to rationalize what you're doing. There is a difference between being bought and merged, and furloughed/locked out and repalced....

Wasn't there a similar case involving RAH.... with the court ruling that Republic Holdings and Republic Airlines were basically alter-ego's of eachother...

Sounds like you guys have a good case... good luck.

Like you sig says Mason. Fly the contract and nothing more. That's what we're doing and that's what Midwest guys are doing. ALPA dropped the ball huge by allowing a hole big enough for a shark like BB to drive a Mac truck through.

That sounds like

Delta - Comair and now Northwest-Compass et all...
USAir - Mesaba-Piedmont
AMR - AA & AE


Nothing new there my friend

You fly the contract and nothing more when dealing with your own company.... not when walking all over somebody elses.

You guys just don't get it.... you'll stand there and point the finger at BB without admitting that he couldn't do it without you.

I think you're the one that just doesn't get it. So basically we should just walk off the job because it's wrong what were doing at RAH as pilots. Ok. I'm sure you'd do that.

in a tough job market, everybody becomes a bottom feeder... nobody will quit their job when their income is at stake...

people seem to forget this is a free market and the company with the lowest price and decent service will always win. so it comes down to a simple matter of supply and demand, there is a huge supply of qualified pilots in the states, so the bar is lowered.

in the end, we are just simple employees, taking people from point A to Point B for a certain hourly wage. we have no say in any decisions the company makes based on market trends.

I have been in situations where mainline would question my company's actions, and all I would answer was... I'm just a pilot, my job starts when I get on the plane and ends when I get off... don't really have any say in any of the company's marketing decisions...