CAL dropping 9L rumors???
 

Anyone else been hearing the latest and greatest rumor that CAL will be dropping 9L entirely at the end of July? I'm not much for rumors, but I thought this one was pretty good, haha, and I work for 9L.:confused::eek:

They're going to stop using runways designated as 9L? You work for a runway?

Yeah no kidding, this isn't airliners.net. Lets be grownups and use airline names.

Yep, it's true; they're replacing them with Aeromexico under their new Star Alliance agreement. :D :rolleyes:

Colgan?....

I assume if that were true then CAL wouldn't be conducting a CRM/TEM course for Colgan Pilots to aid in the new CRM training Colgan is developing.

Pardon my lack of grownupness/professionalism.. Yes I'm referring to Colgan being dropped by CAL.. I don't pay much attention to rumors but this is the best one I've heard in a while.

The problem is with rumors is that they are just that...rumors. We should stick to facts.

Plus CAL dropping Colgan in July, sucks for my July line I was just awarded.

The other rumor is the Colgan Q400 makes almost double the revenue of an expressjet E145 for about half the cost. I've heard they actually want to get more.

Looking at Colgan's contract that's not hard to believe. ;)

THANK YOU.

Colgan gets paid somewhere in the ballpark of 2400.00 per departure. After doing the math if CAL fills up the plane it only costs CAL $32 per pax. Pretty good deal for CAL. Sucks for pilots who average $70 per hour (salary, benefits, training) based on that tribune article.

I am sure the cost of 3407 will far outweigh any savings CAL had planned with the Q400, at least for now. I have noticed a lot of Colgan flying in our open time, it is interesting to say the least. I guarantee you, you wont see Q400's doing any flying in Mexico, but I will also tell ya they are not going anywhere in the northeast

Is Colgan on a FPD or CPA with CAL?

FPD = Fargo Police Department, Flame Photometric Detector?

CPA = Certified Public Accountant...I couldn't even find it by googling it.

I'm going to start a movement against GUATNU (Geeks Using Acronyms That Nobody Understands).

Fee per Departure

Capacity Purchase Agreement

Edited, meatballs is 2 minutes ahead of me.

Like, OMG! Are you like, totally FUBAR? Kidding, don't get excited.

Fee Per Departure as opposed to a Capacity Purchase Agreement.

Silly rumors...

The Q400 is paid per departure, Saabs are on a shared revenue program.

I wasn't aware that we had a contract... thought we were on the "make up the rules as we go" program. :rolleyes:

As far was Colgan getting dropped by CAL, won't happen completely. I don't know when the Saab contract is up, but I think it's around the corner. I could see the Saab contract being terminated then having the next 15 Qs going to IAH.

Now will Colgan still be Colgan a year from now is the real question. There's a lot of outside forces involved in the industry now (mostly politicians). Management will wait until the dust settles with the possible changes coming and then adjust the business model accordingly. I'm planning on three possibilities:

1) PNCL gets rid of Colgan via bankrupcy, rights it off as a poor investment and moves on. Very unlikely.

2) PNCL gets rid of Colgan name, renames company "Simply The Best" airlines and continues on normal course of high work low morale.

3) PNCL picks apart Colgan, puts the Q's on PNCL certificate, rest is sold.

where do i send my resume?

It will be like ValueJet-----------> Airtran

The only thing around those parts that is worth anything ... the Q flying. This wouldnt be a surprise, especially after the ALPA vote ...

I do not think the "costs" outweigh the savings of the Q400 vs RJ's over the next 10 Years. And by costs do you mean the 1 pax out of 100 that wont fly CAL because of 3407 (during the short time before people forget about 3407)

What are you going to put up from that guarantee? Dont make me pull this post up later on like everyone did with your "I love Colgan" thread back in the day.

Cost rules. Check out oil prices lately? As much as Colgan sucks they are cheap and mainline will want cheap once oil is back around $100+ again.

Thanks.

I didn't think the number would be that high. At my previous employer, we were on an FPD with UAL. It cost UAL just shy of $3000 every time we launched a CRJ somewhere. When the flying was put up for bid, the cheaper airlines out there put in numbers for about the same you stated the Q does it at. The thing being, that was for 50 seat jet equipment burning more gas and having higher labor costs, along with all the other associated things that factor in.

This has always been a misconception. ValuJet did not change their name to AirTran. They merged with the smaller company AirTran for their name.

So your logic would suggest Colgan would merge with Big Sky, to be called Big Sky.

Kind of how Comair changed their name to....wait....they still are Comair.

Why not? COEX used to run ATR's to places in Mexico.

Just going out on a limb here, but I'd venture to guess the Q has better SE performance than an ATR, as well as a higher SE ceiling. Although, the places the ATR went those were not a factor.

The airplane isn't the problem, from what I have been told the operator is the concern, not the airplane

Juice

Thanks, I didnt know that

Well, XJT has been doing Mexico for quite some time. So I guess you could say that they have "experience".

But with that being said, would you say that XJT is always on it's "A game" when going down there? If you don't know what I mean, take it to PM's.

Glass houses and all.

I thought beach fly by's were SOP.

first off, I fly for Expressjet, check my sig, secondly for some reason I can't PM, and third dont shoot the messenger.......

also I am well aware of our near misses down there

It is true, Colgan pilots could never fly down in Mexico...not skilled enough.

They should stick to noncontrolled fields in the icy northeast, that stuff is cake. Especially the pilots we have that have winters on the B1900, you know those guys suck and not even skilled enough to fly in Mexico.

Sounds like you are pretty close to Larry K and getting all the good info (No Colgan in Mexico but yes in the northeast). You should ask him what plans he has for your own airline come later this year

I hear ya man, like I said dont shoot the messenger. I think it is a PR issue. I have flown with guys like M Woosley at Colgan who are the best sticks I have ever flown with, however in recent light of 3407 I think CAL might just want to wait until the hysteria disappears before they send the Q's down to Mexico.

Of course the peeps I heard this from could have heard it from a F/A, so ya never know

I got ya, but since there wont be another Q for a year I think the hysteria will be gone. Public is stupid and they will be fixated on the next "Jon and Kate" by then.

....double post.

First off, I KNOW who you fly for.

Secondly, because of your tertiary statement you DON'T need to PM me, your final statement makes it clear you know exactly what I'm talking about.

But I'm not talking just about those types of things. I have more than one occasion recently where the person I was flying with for some reason didn't know what the difference between Transition Level, and Transition Altitude was. Usually, not that big of deal. But when your climbing out, and the clearance limit is "one eight thousand feet", and you actually reach 18,000 feet before being cleared for higher due to traffic, it can become a big deal. Remember, we've been going down there for YEARS, and we even receive training for ops down there.

Too bad they're not.

Exactly, won't be too long before the general public forgets all about it.

Did US Airways also drop Colgan? The reason I ask is because Piedmont and PSA was given more flying until December.

You mean possibly have reduced their flying, perhaps?