We cant live like this!Tommorow is our D-DAY!
 

Another way to take away.

We are pilots, not economists!Start the apu when you get on board!-We never get a fuel savings rebate! Report maintenance when it happens!-NO waiting to get back to base(if it happens in canada, its stays in canada!).Fly Slow, Walk Slow, answer your phone only when the trip is over!

We can't live like this! We are destoying our own futures!

Its destroying flying for the future by just sitting there and letting management run their companies into shallow water while searching for a profit.

Its time to take control-They must know how much power we have!

If your captain or F/O doesnt want to change , when its your leg to fly you fly it how you want to fly it. Block to Block no less! Your getting paid for it anyway why shorten it. You are just sitting there anyway! We must unite and get this done.

I'm so inspired I could take a dump now.

We are professional pilots. The economics do matter. Try taking that attitude to a corporate job.

Start the APU in accordance to SOP. Repeated violation of SOP only serves to undermine you.

You should always report Mx items when they occur. This shouldn't be revolutionary.

Fly slow, but do not intentionally make it more difficult for your passengers to make their connections. People do need to come back in order for you to keep your job.

Walk slow... no. Walk at a normal pace. When you walk slow in public areas, the public notices. This only reinforces the general notion that pilots are lazy. Just keep pace with the flow of pedestrian traffic, and don't call attention to yourself in the public eye.

Quotes like:I'm so inspired I could take a dump now.

Reinforce not only the general notion that pilots are lazy, but that they are just dumb.So help out your friend over there.People will always come back no matter what.

Just fly the SOP. No need for any of this ridiculousness.

We are indeed professional pilots and our job is to get from point A to point B safely and legally. Ultimately, the economics of your employer has nothing to do with doing our jobs. If our employer wants something changed that will save them money, they'll put it in the manual. Economics are an ancillary concern at best.

I agree, it should not be revolutionary. However, it would indeed be revolutionary. The fact remains, carrying write-ups is modus operandi with the industry. Are you saying that you never carried a little item to get the job done?

He didn't say to intentionally make it difficult for passengers. He said to fly no better than scheduled block to block. Anyone with any appreciable time in this business knows that setting such precedents will eventually lead to tighter and less reasonable scheduling. i.e. if a a large enough number of pilots are making turns quicker than scheduled, the turns will eventually get scheduled for less time.

Exactly. I have a normal pace for when I have to be somewhere, which is a pretty average pace. Then I have another normal pace (slower) for when I have time to kill. Being in uniform won't change my slower normal pace. In this regard, I couldn't care less what the public thinks because, A, I doubt your assertion that this would reinforce any imagined perception that we're lazy. B. Even if your concern had validity, let them think it. As long as my tie is straight, uniform pressed and I'm not wearing headphones while walking, it won't give the public any negative impressions, subconscious or otherwise. Besides. there is no one flow of pedestrian traffic.


BringDaFunk's post is spot on.

um....what?

Excellent point! I especially appreciate your clarity, detail and how specific you are......and you leave no ambiguity whatsoever!:rolleyes:

I'm just waiting for the "you are lucky to have a job" statement to show up. Cram it.

I think it was the coffee, no?

Do your job by the book of the company you work for. If it specifies how the apu is to be used... do it that way. If specifies single engine taxi... do it that way. etc... etc.. et al.....

And the economics of how we do our job DOES matter to pretend anything else is just putting your head in the sand.

You're just lucky to have a job.

This is the stupidest proposition I have ever heard.

Why would you intentionally make everything harder for yourself, passegers and management. This will only provide negative attention to yourself. Not to mention we are required by law to abide by our SOP's and doing anything outside of our SOP's would be illegal and potentially dangerous. If you are trying to start a revolution, do it smartly. By the way they already know how much "power" we have as pilots, which is exactly outlined in our company policies.

Don't be an idiot!

Sounds like someone has got a case of the Mondays!

I have had it ...
To all those who reply with "you are lucky to have a job" and "you are ridiculous to slow things down ...",
That is BS!!!
-Comair and ASA slowed things down when they were in contract negotiations and nobody ridiculed them.
-You haven't been exposed to Pinnacle's mismanagement and abuse of its flight crews and contract.
-There has to be a line drawn someplace, if not, there will be GoJets all over the place (Yes a big fight in the new Pinnacle Contract was SCOPE with Colgan ... I know it’s a hard concept for most pilots, especially Legacy Pilots ...)
-We ARE professional who AREN'T treated like professionals. There is a double standard here - how can we be treated like adolescents and be expected to act in a professional manner? How can we be expected to tolerate unprofessional behavior and return with only professionalism? Yes we are better people but we need to stick up for ourselves.
-Nobody is going to fight our battles; we need to win our own wars!
-On one hand you people pis$ and moan that Pinnacle is the next Mesa and a "bottom feeder" but on the other hand do not support us taking things into our own hands. Even NW slowed things down when they lost BoB <Block or Better>.
-DO NOT pretend that you wouldn’t be doing the same things if you were in our shoes. Do not talk down your nose to us. Do not judge if you aren’t or haven’t been in our position.

Fly SAFE

You don't have to screw your passengers in order to "stick it" to management.

Step #1 - Write up everything that breaks, when it breaks.

Step #2 - Call times as they really are (if no ACARS)

Step #3 - STOP USING YOUR CELL PHONE FOR COMPANY BUSINESS

Step #4 - see step #3

Step #5 - Get some unity

Step #6 - Repeat steps 1-5

#'s 6, 7, & 8 should be see step #5 ....

And yes if you did steps 1 & 3, you probably would screw your passengers. Is this a problem? Yes ... but not yours to worry about!! I do hope you all realize that every time you defer writting something up until you get to base, you risk you jobs!! The company would sell you out in an INSTANT! They dont pay for your cell either ... until the day they do, use the batphone ... or better yet, wait for them to contact you!!!
NOBODY is on probation anymore, ACT LIKE IT!

Railway Labor Act

An estimated 6,000 Americans died on D-day and you feel this equates?

If safety were the first priority, we would all be shutting the APU down as part of a climb check rather than trying to save a little money by shutting it down during taxi. Many of our aircraft, from the baby Emb's to the mighty B7XX's will all shut everything off except standby instruments in the event of a dual engine failure....
If safety were the top concern, APU's would be running for takeoff's and landings... especially around airports that advertise "heavy bird activity on and in vicinity of airport."

Don't think I've ever said this before....I agree with TD's statement.

You forgot the most important one.... and by doing it, you can skip all the rest. Open your company manual, and follow whatever policy is written there to the letter. Nobody can fault you for doing it, and if done properly, it will grind most regionals to a halt. They have added to the duties over the years, while chipping away at turn times... I would be willing to bet anybody, that there is no way in a typical regional 25 minute turn to perform every duty as specified in their FAA approved company flight/operations manual.

Do not forget, that if your contract covers it, you are entitled to a meal break, even if it means delaying a flight... this also covers the perverbial rest room call.... no need to fly fast to get a few extra minutes for those activities.... if it's in your contract, just do it.

This is the stupidest response to a proposition I have ever heard.
Nothing in his post said anything about making anything harder for anyone. Nothing was mentioned about operating outside of the SOP's....as a matter of fact, the post advocated operating strictly by the SOP's. You either missed the point or you're trying to obfuscate because you're a member of management.

Don't be an idiot!

uhm, there is Gotjet all over the place;


Air Wisconsin
American Eagle
ASA
Colgan
Comair
Compass
Expressjet
Horizon
Mesa
Mesaba
Piedmont
Pinnacle
PSA
Republic
Skywest
TSA

In the very principle from which you think you're coming, they're all the same. You're being a hypocrite. Don't be a hypocrite.

Welcome to the dark side... We have cake.

I wouldn't blame the airlines for your pay.. it's the way the American travelers are and it's the way the government is.

Ever since deregulation, legacy carriers have shut down because they can't compete with the lower-pay-for-the-same-job as the regionals. In my opinion, this is basically what started it all. Ever since then, more and more regionals are starting up as feeder airlines operating under contract won by offering the lowest bid to the major airline. Because Americans don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a flight, it forced airlines to lower ticket costs or bite the dust. Airlines lowered ticket prices and thus reduced its expenses, and who takes the first paycuts? The employees... from flight attendants, mechanics, ramp agents, pilots... but it's not enough.

Companies like GoJet, Mesa.. they all bid so low that of course Delta is going to go with them.. if they don't perform, Delta just charges the contractor fines and fees... and since the regional got the lowest bid they don't have much cash to spare anyways.. hence why their employees make such low wages. Pilots who try to unite for a pay increase only make other departments demand an increase as well.. but not one airline has grown a money tree.. it runs out eventually.

The only thing that can probably fix regional airline pay for you as an individual is to put up with it for as long as you can, do what you can to get by, and hope for the best that the economy is going to pick up again and you have enough experience and a positive attitude to get hired by a major airline. Regional pay will never increase. They can't afford it. They'll go bankrupt and liquidate all their assets long before they pay their employees decently. That's just how it is. People who can't adapt to that change won't make it.

You haven't figured it out yet....its not that they cant afford to pay the employees better its that MANAGEMENT wants it all for themselves.....the pay at regionals sucks, the pay at majors is stagnant and sucks (taking inflation into account pilots made more 20years ago than they do today)..Although FedEX and UPS are profitable they are threatening to furlough in order to seek concessions from their pilots which will lead to their pay sucking...wonderful industry we go ourselves into huh?

is this guy for real? lawl

I agree with a few things you say, somewhat. Being at Lakes, though, I'm not really involved in the whipsaw battle, as my carrier really has no competitors for the places we fly. So, maybe I don't fully understand the situation you bring up. However, I, personally, could care less if my regional could afford the pay I deserve. I will burn the place down, figuratively, to get what I feel I deserve. The demand for that flying won't disappear, just because a regional shuts down. Because the demand will still be there, that flying will be picked up by someone, at some point, whether it is by another regional, back to a major airline, etc. I'll get a job at the airline that picks up the flying after mine shuts down. Or, I'll just quit flying. Not the end of the world. It's time to quit being afraid, and not let airline profits/ management's bonus checks ride off of our backs.

Anything happening yet?

Good post. It's not that there's no money in the Regionals....It's how it's dispersed. My CEO takes in 1.4 million a year, The CFO makes 875k but they pay our first year FO's under 18k. It's BS. Pilots need to take action and stand up for what we deserve. And ticket prices need to be raised to change this. The public needs the mindset Flying is a luxury not a right. The industry will never change with the no balls generation we've become who just rolls over and takes it from management. Welcome to low paying regional wages for life................:mad:

I agree.

If you have ever personally known someone that was involved in that event (I know several), you will learn that most of our daily troubles are miniscule compared to the hell that they fought through for us and generations not yet born.