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Pinnacle Performance Numbers
Operations Summary – 28 Jun 2009
CRJ-200 Day % Month % Goal % Completion factor 98.7 97.5 98.0 D0 On-time Departure 75.8 71.4 74.6 A0 On-time Arrival 71.7 63.6 64.6 CRJ-900 Day % Month % Goal % Completion factor 100.0 98.9 98.0 D0 On-time Departure 66.3 63.1 73.7 A0 On-time Arrival 55.2 57.4 63.6 A14 On-time Arrival 83.9 80.9 82.5 Good job guys. Keep it up, continue to fly SAFE and we might just get a contract this year! Only meeting one goal for the month. Phil the clocks ticking...30 days, 30 seconds. Time to SHUTTER DOWN. **Spent all that time getting the tables right and it still comes out wrong..Oh well...You get the picture! |
Wow...Shocked. I guess the Pass travel combined with the latest negot. stall has made people realize it's not worth looking the other way to help the company.
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Im sure this is making Delta look at you guys in a great light... I understand you guys are fighting a hard fight against your management but couldnt this hurt in the short and even long run with your contract with Delta? What is a contract going to do if you dont have anyone to fly for?
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Originally Posted by B00sted
(Post 637171)
Operations Summary – 28 Jun 2009
CRJ-200 Day % Month % Goal % Completion factor 98.7 97.5 98.0 D0 On-time Departure 75.8 71.4 74.6 A0 On-time Arrival 71.7 63.6 64.6 CRJ-900 Day % Month % Goal % Completion factor 100.0 98.9 98.0 D0 On-time Departure 66.3 63.1 73.7 A0 On-time Arrival 55.2 57.4 63.6 A14 On-time Arrival 83.9 80.9 82.5 TC |
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
(Post 637269)
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.
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Originally Posted by BHopper88
(Post 637264)
Im sure this is making Delta look at you guys in a great light... I understand you guys are fighting a hard fight against your management but couldnt this hurt in the short and even long run with your contract with Delta? What is a contract going to do if you dont have anyone to fly for?
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
(Post 637269)
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.
I think it is Delta's plan to AXE Pinnacle and Freedom by fall of 09 anyhow. They will takes their checkers(120 CRJs) and find someone else's (Mesaba) board to put them on. |
I'm impressed people. I never commented on the whole DAL pass travel thing, because I was at a complete loss for words. The pass travel is negotiated by your management...the fact that they would intentionally allow you guys to be reduced so far below what other DCI carriers have is astounding.
Obviously everyone is aware of the risk of getting fired by DAL, but hopefully management will blink before that happens. |
Originally Posted by flyths1
(Post 637302)
I think it is Delta's plan to AXE Pinnacle and Freedom by fall of 09 anyhow.
They will takes their checkers(120 CRJs) and find someone else's (Mesaba) board to put them on. Wow, you're intelligent. Go play in traffic. For what its worth. Goal in the above charts is MANAGEMENTS goal for their bonuses. NOT the minimum contract performance levels. I figured there would be a few people who are pansys posting "oh no, don't u want your jobs?" There a two posts in this thread showing exactly why this profession is in a race to the bottom... We'd all rather SHUT THIS PLACE DOWN, than continue working under these HORRIBLE, TEN YEAR OLD RULES! |
Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
(Post 637269)
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.
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I just wish someone could get this stupid United Pass travel worked out CUZ IT SUCKS... Hope Delta Doesnt discover it :mad: But thats a WHOLE OTHER TOPIC
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Originally Posted by flyths1
(Post 637302)
I think it is Delta's plan to AXE Pinnacle and Freedom by fall of 09 anyhow.
They will takes their checkers(120 CRJs) and find someone else's (Mesaba) board to put them on. Management has been playing scare tactics for way to long. I am still suprised there are guys here who fall for it. Pinnacle isn't getting axed by delta. Pinnacle is unfortunatly the cheapest most effecient regional for delta, and I believe we are now the second largest carrier for delta. We did a little over 33 percent of Northwest's lift before the merger so that is a good chunk if they decided to get rid of us. Plus Delta has made it clear where the cuts are going to come from and so far it isn't the contracted carriers but the wholly owneds that are taking the beating. I am not saying we wont take one either. I do feel that by the end of this year there is a good chance pinnacle and skywest will have to furlough. We just found out that when the numbers were broken down we are about 50 to 100 pilots heavy for the planned flying this fall. We have also implemented Reduced Availability Lines that I know I plan on taking advantage of in August. These cutbacks are coming pilot contract or not. Dont let them tell you otherwise. |
Originally Posted by B00sted
(Post 637306)
Wow, you're intelligent. Go play in traffic.
For what its worth. Goal in the above charts is MANAGEMENTS goal for their bonuses. NOT the minimum contract performance levels. I figured there would be a few people who are pansys posting "oh no, don't u want your jobs?" There a two posts in this thread showing exactly why this profession is in a race to the bottom... We'd all rather SHUT THIS PLACE DOWN, than continue working under these HORRIBLE, TEN YEAR OLD RULES! The RACE FOR THE BOTTOM started when airline CEOs took more in bonuses....reduced the fares to bargin basement rates and then devalued yours and mine living buy then saying....were going BROKE...we need wage concession so we can continue to devalue your wages with even lower fares. I suppose you think it fine that a company can spend four years negotiating with a group of employees and and not reached agreement because they are not going to the table in good faith.....How many $$$$'s have been spent retrainning right seaters because pilots can go elsewhere and make a better living....Ill bet that management has spent more than if they would have settled this in the very beginning....and what about the cost of moral??? for a long while Pinnacle was losing a Pilot a day:mad: |
Originally Posted by flyths1
(Post 637327)
Ill bet that management has spent more than if they would have settled this in the very beginning....and what about the cost of moral??? for a long while Pinnacle was losing a Pilot a day:mad:
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All we are waiting for right now is magical words from the mediator. We are the first to go under Obama appointed mediators. I am not saying we will get released but there is a chance. Anyone know when this mediator is supposed to get back to us?
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
(Post 637341)
All we are waiting for right now is magical words from the mediator. We are the first to go under Obama appointed mediators. I am not saying we will get released but there is a chance. Anyone know when this mediator is supposed to get back to us?
I think its kinda of up in the air...seeing how there is only one more thing left to figure out and then we have a TA. If I were the mediator I would say "Grow up both sides and just figure it out"...but I am not the mediator. I hope they release to speed up the process though...ahhh well....Tailwinds!!! |
Yeah and like if they strike how ever will they make the performance numbers??? :rolleyes:
Good job guys. Good luck. |
Originally Posted by BHopper88
(Post 637264)
Im sure this is making Delta look at you guys in a great light... I understand you guys are fighting a hard fight against your management but couldnt this hurt in the short and even long run with your contract with Delta?
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Originally Posted by Past V1
(Post 637391)
I heard tomorrow...they met on Monday and will resume on tomorrow and should have a decision to either release or make us stick it out....
I think its kinda of up in the air...seeing how there is only one more thing left to figure out and then we have a TA. If I were the mediator I would say "Grow up both sides and just figure it out"...but I am not the mediator. I hope they release to speed up the process though...ahhh well....Tailwinds!!! |
Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
(Post 637269)
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.
If only a certain group in IND could understand what group resolve is and what the definition of "enabler" is. Good job, Flagship and good luck in the near future! |
Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon
(Post 637515)
In the past, I've not been very impresed with much of Pinnacle's operations, including a certain group in the pilot group, but today I must say that I am impressed that you have the resolve, AS A GROUP, to do what you can to say enough is enough.
If only a certain group in IND could understand what group resolve is and what the definition of "enabler" is. Good job, Flagship and good luck in the near future! "Operationally, we have hit a rough patch with quite a few maintenance problems. While there is nothing specific - neither heat nor weather related - the planes are just breaking" |
Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
(Post 637269)
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.
I totally agree with you, I work for your sister bottomfeeder but at this point I'd rather have it burn down to the ground (along with other bottomfeeders) and would be quite happy to witness this firsthand. So why don't I just quit now? Well, if I did that there are thousands of other guys who would gladly take my spot, and that wouldn't help the matter of shutting buddy down. in actuality I think the possibility of pinnacle shutting down is low (not saying it can't happen, obviously), but with the numbers getting worse, the possibility of the mgmt giving in definitely gets greater. It's an absolute shame that phil and his buddies have been dragging you guys along for 5 years! I just wish more of you guys (and us too) were willing to stand up to mgmt even if it means the risk of shutting them down (and especially because of that risk). For guys not willing to do so because they are afraid of losing their jobs, wouldn't that be a scab-like mentality? I realize these types will always exist (willing to take abuse forever because they have bills to pay... don't we all?) but I hope they are outnumbered. |
Originally Posted by BHopper88
(Post 637264)
Im sure this is making Delta look at you guys in a great light... I understand you guys are fighting a hard fight against your management but couldnt this hurt in the short and even long run with your contract with Delta? What is a contract going to do if you dont have anyone to fly for?
First, an unhappy Delta could benefit the pilots in the negotiation process. If Delta threatens pulling the flying, PNCL management has a choice of keeping 100% of nothing, or satisfy the pilot group and still keep 90% of Delta money. Second, indentured servitude is not a condition to perpetuate. Keep up the good fight! |
Last two airplanes I flew.
BROKE ACARS Fuel Gauges LEFT PACK APU DOOR - Stuck open (BURN BABY BURN) AUTO TEMP CONT Radar ALT CABIN LIGHTING CATII (Why are people doing CATII checks? Company guys?) Oh yeah. Does anyone know what happens with the FLEX Y/N in ACARS???;) |
I applaud the effort, but be careful what you folks discuss on open forums.
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Originally Posted by B00sted
(Post 637877)
Last two airplanes I flew.
BROKE ACARS Fuel Gauges LEFT PACK APU DOOR - Stuck open (BURN BABY BURN) AUTO TEMP CONT Radar ALT CABIN LIGHTING CATII (Why are people doing CATII checks? Company guys?) Oh yeah. Does anyone know what happens with the FLEX Y/N in ACARS???;) And isn't it nice that Mr. CLIVE is acknowledging this....if you read last Fridays memo...So you couldn't acars your dispatcher...you had to fly below 250....you had to make sure the PAX didnt trip getting to their seats....and you burned an extra 200 to 400 pounds of FOB....And did you need full tanks??? Great way to save $$$ Great Ain't IT!!!!....Remember S.T.B. |
This is part of CS message:
"Operationally, we have hit a rough patch with quite a few maintenance problems. While there is nothing specific - neither heat nor weather related - the planes are just breaking." |
Originally Posted by B00sted
(Post 637877)
Oh yeah. Does anyone know what happens with the FLEX Y/N in ACARS???;)
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Originally Posted by Windsor
(Post 638285)
Even though I flex when I can, I Never admit it. :D
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