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B00sted 06-29-2009 07:53 PM

Pinnacle Performance Numbers
 
Operations Summary – 28 Jun 2009
CRJ-200 Day % Month % Goal %
Completion factor 98.7 97.5 98.0
D0 On-time Departure 75.8 71.4 74.6
A0 On-time Arrival 71.7 63.6 64.6

CRJ-900 Day % Month % Goal %
Completion factor 100.0 98.9 98.0
D0 On-time Departure 66.3 63.1 73.7
A0 On-time Arrival 55.2 57.4 63.6
A14 On-time Arrival 83.9 80.9 82.5


Good job guys. Keep it up, continue to fly SAFE and we might just get a contract this year! Only meeting one goal for the month.

Phil the clocks ticking...30 days, 30 seconds. Time to SHUTTER DOWN.

**Spent all that time getting the tables right and it still comes out wrong..Oh well...You get the picture!

HIREME 06-30-2009 05:36 AM

Wow...Shocked. I guess the Pass travel combined with the latest negot. stall has made people realize it's not worth looking the other way to help the company.

BHopper88 06-30-2009 05:41 AM

Im sure this is making Delta look at you guys in a great light... I understand you guys are fighting a hard fight against your management but couldnt this hurt in the short and even long run with your contract with Delta? What is a contract going to do if you dont have anyone to fly for?

Tomcat 06-30-2009 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 637171)
Operations Summary – 28 Jun 2009
CRJ-200 Day % Month % Goal %
Completion factor 98.7 97.5 98.0
D0 On-time Departure 75.8 71.4 74.6
A0 On-time Arrival 71.7 63.6 64.6

CRJ-900 Day % Month % Goal %
Completion factor 100.0 98.9 98.0
D0 On-time Departure 66.3 63.1 73.7
A0 On-time Arrival 55.2 57.4 63.6
A14 On-time Arrival 83.9 80.9 82.5

Delta is trying to reduce it RJ lift. Seems this would open the door for terminating a contract with a sub-contractor.

TC

PinnacleFO 06-30-2009 05:52 AM

If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.

Diver Driver 06-30-2009 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 637269)
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.

Good for you guys for standing up for what's right. I wish you all the best of luck and hope you are able to bring home an industry leading contract.

HIREME 06-30-2009 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by BHopper88 (Post 637264)
Im sure this is making Delta look at you guys in a great light... I understand you guys are fighting a hard fight against your management but couldnt this hurt in the short and even long run with your contract with Delta? What is a contract going to do if you dont have anyone to fly for?

Yes...And I'm sure Delta was knocking down our door when we were the #1 performing regional. It's just that they were knocking down our door to reduce flying.

flyths1 06-30-2009 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 637269)
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.



I think it is Delta's plan to AXE Pinnacle and Freedom by fall of 09 anyhow.

They will takes their checkers(120 CRJs) and find someone else's (Mesaba) board to put them on.

rickair7777 06-30-2009 07:12 AM

I'm impressed people. I never commented on the whole DAL pass travel thing, because I was at a complete loss for words. The pass travel is negotiated by your management...the fact that they would intentionally allow you guys to be reduced so far below what other DCI carriers have is astounding.

Obviously everyone is aware of the risk of getting fired by DAL, but hopefully management will blink before that happens.

B00sted 06-30-2009 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by flyths1 (Post 637302)
I think it is Delta's plan to AXE Pinnacle and Freedom by fall of 09 anyhow.

They will takes their checkers(120 CRJs) and find someone else's (Mesaba) board to put them on.


Wow, you're intelligent. Go play in traffic.

For what its worth. Goal in the above charts is MANAGEMENTS goal for their bonuses. NOT the minimum contract performance levels.

I figured there would be a few people who are pansys posting "oh no, don't u want your jobs?" There a two posts in this thread showing exactly why this profession is in a race to the bottom...

We'd all rather SHUT THIS PLACE DOWN, than continue working under these HORRIBLE, TEN YEAR OLD RULES!

Tomcat 06-30-2009 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 637269)
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.

Didn't realize this was part of a job action. It's a tough business for us all.

TC

BHopper88 06-30-2009 07:16 AM

I just wish someone could get this stupid United Pass travel worked out CUZ IT SUCKS... Hope Delta Doesnt discover it :mad: But thats a WHOLE OTHER TOPIC

Airsupport 06-30-2009 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by flyths1 (Post 637302)
I think it is Delta's plan to AXE Pinnacle and Freedom by fall of 09 anyhow.

They will takes their checkers(120 CRJs) and find someone else's (Mesaba) board to put them on.

You aren't very up to date are you? If that is their plan then they need to start to recall the guys that mesaba is about to start furloughing in August.

Management has been playing scare tactics for way to long. I am still suprised there are guys here who fall for it. Pinnacle isn't getting axed by delta. Pinnacle is unfortunatly the cheapest most effecient regional for delta, and I believe we are now the second largest carrier for delta. We did a little over 33 percent of Northwest's lift before the merger so that is a good chunk if they decided to get rid of us. Plus Delta has made it clear where the cuts are going to come from and so far it isn't the contracted carriers but the wholly owneds that are taking the beating. I am not saying we wont take one either. I do feel that by the end of this year there is a good chance pinnacle and skywest will have to furlough. We just found out that when the numbers were broken down we are about 50 to 100 pilots heavy for the planned flying this fall. We have also implemented Reduced Availability Lines that I know I plan on taking advantage of in August. These cutbacks are coming pilot contract or not. Dont let them tell you otherwise.

flyths1 06-30-2009 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 637306)
Wow, you're intelligent. Go play in traffic.

For what its worth. Goal in the above charts is MANAGEMENTS goal for their bonuses. NOT the minimum contract performance levels.

I figured there would be a few people who are pansys posting "oh no, don't u want your jobs?" There a two posts in this thread showing exactly why this profession is in a race to the bottom...

We'd all rather SHUT THIS PLACE DOWN, than continue working under these HORRIBLE, TEN YEAR OLD RULES!


The RACE FOR THE BOTTOM started when airline CEOs took more in bonuses....reduced the fares to bargin basement rates and then devalued yours and mine living buy then saying....were going BROKE...we need wage concession so we can continue to devalue your wages with even lower fares.


I suppose you think it fine that a company can spend four years negotiating with a group of employees and and not reached agreement because they are not going to the table in good faith.....How many $$$$'s have been spent retrainning right seaters because pilots can go elsewhere and make a better living....Ill bet that management has spent more than if they would have settled this in the very beginning....and what about the cost of moral??? for a long while Pinnacle was losing a Pilot a day:mad:

B00sted 06-30-2009 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by flyths1 (Post 637327)
Ill bet that management has spent more than if they would have settled this in the very beginning....and what about the cost of moral??? for a long while Pinnacle was losing a Pilot a day:mad:

Again your clueless. Training is a flow-thru cost DIRECTLY to NWA(DELTA NOW).

PinnacleFO 06-30-2009 07:56 AM

All we are waiting for right now is magical words from the mediator. We are the first to go under Obama appointed mediators. I am not saying we will get released but there is a chance. Anyone know when this mediator is supposed to get back to us?

Past V1 06-30-2009 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 637341)
All we are waiting for right now is magical words from the mediator. We are the first to go under Obama appointed mediators. I am not saying we will get released but there is a chance. Anyone know when this mediator is supposed to get back to us?

I heard tomorrow...they met on Monday and will resume on tomorrow and should have a decision to either release or make us stick it out....

I think its kinda of up in the air...seeing how there is only one more thing left to figure out and then we have a TA. If I were the mediator I would say "Grow up both sides and just figure it out"...but I am not the mediator.

I hope they release to speed up the process though...ahhh well....Tailwinds!!!

SpiraMirabilis 06-30-2009 11:03 AM

Yeah and like if they strike how ever will they make the performance numbers??? :rolleyes:

Good job guys. Good luck.

jayray2 06-30-2009 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by BHopper88 (Post 637264)
Im sure this is making Delta look at you guys in a great light... I understand you guys are fighting a hard fight against your management but couldnt this hurt in the short and even long run with your contract with Delta?

If you think Delta actually cares about performance numbers at all you are sadly mistaken.

PinnacleFO 06-30-2009 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Past V1 (Post 637391)
I heard tomorrow...they met on Monday and will resume on tomorrow and should have a decision to either release or make us stick it out....

I think its kinda of up in the air...seeing how there is only one more thing left to figure out and then we have a TA. If I were the mediator I would say "Grow up both sides and just figure it out"...but I am not the mediator.

I hope they release to speed up the process though...ahhh well....Tailwinds!!!

If they tell us to stick it out, its going to be a very long process unless they feel they have to sign............

DeltaPaySoon 06-30-2009 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 637269)
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.

In the past, I've not been very impresed with much of Pinnacle's operations, including a certain group in the pilot group, but today I must say that I am impressed that you have the resolve, AS A GROUP, to do what you can to say enough is enough.

If only a certain group in IND could understand what group resolve is and what the definition of "enabler" is.

Good job, Flagship and good luck in the near future!

nicholasblonde 06-30-2009 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon (Post 637515)
In the past, I've not been very impresed with much of Pinnacle's operations, including a certain group in the pilot group, but today I must say that I am impressed that you have the resolve, AS A GROUP, to do what you can to say enough is enough.

If only a certain group in IND could understand what group resolve is and what the definition of "enabler" is.

Good job, Flagship and good luck in the near future!

Sounds like some people are finally taking safety more seriously around here and writing things up that should've been written up for years...from a Certain Someone's most recent message:

"Operationally, we have hit a rough patch with quite a few maintenance problems. While there is nothing specific - neither heat nor weather related - the planes are just breaking"

kalyx522 06-30-2009 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 637269)
If that happens, so be it. For the first time in 5 years it seems like everyone is finally getting the message. That message is - if you aren't going to treat us like adults and pay us like airline pilots then we are going to shut your airline down. I hope our numbers get worse.

what a coincidence, my captain and I were just discussing this today - wasn't it just a little while back that Pinnacle had really good performance numbers? We were wondering why you guys had gone that extra mile, because it's not like phil and buddy are ones to reward their pilots for good performance.... faaaaar from it, as you and I know too well.
I totally agree with you, I work for your sister bottomfeeder but at this point I'd rather have it burn down to the ground (along with other bottomfeeders) and would be quite happy to witness this firsthand. So why don't I just quit now? Well, if I did that there are thousands of other guys who would gladly take my spot, and that wouldn't help the matter of shutting buddy down. in actuality I think the possibility of pinnacle shutting down is low (not saying it can't happen, obviously), but with the numbers getting worse, the possibility of the mgmt giving in definitely gets greater. It's an absolute shame that phil and his buddies have been dragging you guys along for 5 years! I just wish more of you guys (and us too) were willing to stand up to mgmt even if it means the risk of shutting them down (and especially because of that risk). For guys not willing to do so because they are afraid of losing their jobs, wouldn't that be a scab-like mentality? I realize these types will always exist (willing to take abuse forever because they have bills to pay... don't we all?) but I hope they are outnumbered.

FlyJSH 06-30-2009 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by BHopper88 (Post 637264)
Im sure this is making Delta look at you guys in a great light... I understand you guys are fighting a hard fight against your management but couldnt this hurt in the short and even long run with your contract with Delta? What is a contract going to do if you dont have anyone to fly for?

As long as pilots think like this, management has us by the short hairs.

First, an unhappy Delta could benefit the pilots in the negotiation process. If Delta threatens pulling the flying, PNCL management has a choice of keeping 100% of nothing, or satisfy the pilot group and still keep 90% of Delta money.

Second, indentured servitude is not a condition to perpetuate.



Keep up the good fight!

B00sted 07-01-2009 06:48 AM

Last two airplanes I flew.

BROKE
ACARS
Fuel Gauges
LEFT PACK
APU DOOR - Stuck open (BURN BABY BURN)
AUTO TEMP CONT
Radar ALT
CABIN LIGHTING
CATII (Why are people doing CATII checks? Company guys?)

Oh yeah. Does anyone know what happens with the FLEX Y/N in ACARS???;)

rickair7777 07-01-2009 07:46 AM

I applaud the effort, but be careful what you folks discuss on open forums.

flyths1 07-01-2009 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 637877)
Last two airplanes I flew.

BROKE
ACARS
Fuel Gauges
LEFT PACK
APU DOOR - Stuck open (BURN BABY BURN)
AUTO TEMP CONT
Radar ALT
CABIN LIGHTING
CATII (Why are people doing CATII checks? Company guys?)

Oh yeah. Does anyone know what happens with the FLEX Y/N in ACARS???;)


And isn't it nice that Mr. CLIVE is acknowledging this....if you read last Fridays memo...So you couldn't acars your dispatcher...you had to fly below 250....you had to make sure the PAX didnt trip getting to their seats....and you burned an extra 200 to 400 pounds of FOB....And did you need full tanks???

Great way to save $$$

Great Ain't IT!!!!....Remember S.T.B.

Silver02ex 07-01-2009 02:03 PM

This is part of CS message:

"Operationally, we have hit a rough patch with quite a few maintenance problems. While there is nothing specific - neither heat nor weather related - the planes are just breaking."

Windsor 07-01-2009 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 637877)
Oh yeah. Does anyone know what happens with the FLEX Y/N in ACARS???;)

Even though I flex when I can, I Never admit it. :D

B00sted 07-01-2009 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 638285)
Even though I flex when I can, I Never admit it. :D

;)......................


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