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OperatorError 06-30-2009 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Wheels up (Post 637550)
Hmmm. In that case, maybe Farmington shouldn't be served at all since a half full RJ loses a lot of money on the flight. But I guess the commuter airline is fine with it because they get paid for every seat anyway.

And that's why a lot of pilots can't find a job right now, and more are getting furloughed.

ImEbee 06-30-2009 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by Wheels up (Post 637550)
Hmmm. In that case, maybe Farmington shouldn't be served at all since a half full RJ loses a lot of money on the flight. But I guess the commuter airline is fine with it because they get paid for every seat anyway.

Or an overbooked 1900 :D Either way the outcome is the same.

2Co2Fur1EXwife 06-30-2009 05:45 PM

I've seen a woman cry and get off a 1900 while still parked on the ramp because she was terrified to fly on the thing. People don't like small airplanes, period. All you regional guys have heard the shock and disbelief of passengers boarding with all the 'wow/barbie-jet/omg' comments. Facts are facts, all the blood shed in this industry in recent years is written in scumbag regional airlines. If those Pinnacle clowns a few years back managed to kill innocent people on the ground with their lack of professionalism/immaturity/disregard for the profession, this story may have played out earlier. 350hr wonder-kids; C152 to jet-transport/turbo-prop pax carrying. needs to be disclosed, watch how many people will choose NOT to fly if they knew the experience of the crew!

Sailor 06-30-2009 05:57 PM

Agree!! with 2co2fur1ex

It is actually funny to see their faces getting on the AC, and making comments like, "I booked my tickent on AA.com, Continental.com, BlahBlah.com", "What happened to the big plane?":eek:

Out of ideas on this....lets see..3EMJ slots in to LGA or one A320, Turbo props or jets, experienced pilots or 350 hr FO, with a COM/MEL fresh of the press.

wheresmyplane 06-30-2009 08:34 PM

I agree that if this prompted more people to desire mainline airplanes it would be a good thing. I also agree that Delta is never going to fly a MD-88 into GRR, CMH, LEX, etc. due to cost and all the reasons regionals exist in the first place. One solution may be the mainline operation of CRJ's ERJ's and the like. There's no law saying that the mainline can't operate them, and if mainline guys don't want to fly em, I bet I could find some furloughed regional pilots that wouldn't mind a seat on the mainline seniority list. I'm kinda doubt this is how it would work out, but it's nice to dream.

FlyJSH 07-01-2009 02:37 AM

we can only hope this is the chance to reverse scope. I like flying a 340, but at mainline rates that would be 50-75% higher.

Mainlines take back the puddle jumpers!

TPROP4ever 07-01-2009 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by 2Co2Fur1EXwife (Post 637677)
I've seen a woman cry and get off a 1900 while still parked on the ramp because she was terrified to fly on the thing. People don't like small airplanes, period. All you regional guys have heard the shock and disbelief of passengers boarding with all the 'wow/barbie-jet/omg' comments. Facts are facts, all the blood shed in this industry in recent years is written in scumbag regional airlines. If those Pinnacle clowns a few years back managed to kill innocent people on the ground with their lack of professionalism/immaturity/disregard for the profession, this story may have played out earlier. 350hr wonder-kids; C152 to jet-transport/turbo-prop pax carrying. needs to be disclosed, watch how many people will choose NOT to fly if they knew the experience of the crew!

And you did what? Went straight to the majors, right??? It never ceases to amaze me how the so called mainline pilots treat the current generation of regional pilots, you guys have such a chip on your shoulders it is literaly sickening. I suppose you think that you would gladly fly a mainline RJ, or more likely you would say I'm not flying that thing Im a real pilot I only fly heavy metal...if the regionals wearnt around youd be griping that you never get any time off or QOL...but what does my opinion matter all us regional pilots are just scumbags, right....

kalyx522 07-01-2009 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by 2Co2Fur1EXwife (Post 637677)
I've seen a woman cry and get off a 1900 while still parked on the ramp because she was terrified to fly on the thing. People don't like small airplanes, period. All you regional guys have heard the shock and disbelief of passengers boarding with all the 'wow/barbie-jet/omg' comments. Facts are facts, all the blood shed in this industry in recent years is written in scumbag regional airlines. If those Pinnacle clowns a few years back managed to kill innocent people on the ground with their lack of professionalism/immaturity/disregard for the profession, this story may have played out earlier. 350hr wonder-kids; C152 to jet-transport/turbo-prop pax carrying. needs to be disclosed, watch how many people will choose NOT to fly if they knew the experience of the crew!

they may not like small planes, but there are hundreds of cities that a mainline jet just cannot serve, period. some cities its not even feasible for a regional jet, let alone a mainline jet. i see your point about 350 hr wonders carrying passengers... but this really doesn't exist anymore because that regional hiring boom ended a while ago. (or at least, those 350 wonders have now grown up to be 1500-2000 hr wonders, dont know at which point you'd consider them no longer "wonders" ) so i dont know what is the point of even bringing this up.

CaptainCarl 07-01-2009 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 637845)
And you did what? Went straight to the majors, right??? It never ceases to amaze me how the so called mainline pilots treat the current generation of regional pilots, you guys have such a chip on your shoulders it is literaly sickening. I suppose you think that you would gladly fly a mainline RJ, or more likely you would say I'm not flying that thing Im a real pilot I only fly heavy metal...if the regionals wearnt around youd be griping that you never get any time off or QOL...but what does my opinion matter all us regional pilots are just scumbags, right....

Right on TPROP, right on. But not all mainline pilots treat us like sh!t. I have met many that treat me as the professional I am trying to be. Granted, I always treat them as the elder, wiser pilots who I can learn something from (ie "Stay married to your first wife." :D). Anyways, I don't know what the solution to the airline industry is but I am ready to follow the man or woman that does. :cool:

2Co2Fur1EXwife 07-01-2009 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 637845)
And you did what? Went straight to the majors, right??? It never ceases to amaze me how the so called mainline pilots treat the current generation of regional pilots, you guys have such a chip on your shoulders it is literaly sickening. I suppose you think that you would gladly fly a mainline RJ, or more likely you would say I'm not flying that thing Im a real pilot I only fly heavy metal...if the regionals wearnt around youd be griping that you never get any time off or QOL...but what does my opinion matter all us regional pilots are just scumbags, right....

No I didn't go straight to the majors, but I put my time in Flight Instructing/jumpers/trubo-props/RJ's. I was trying to point out the fact that the Regional Airlines need to change who they hire and what level of experience the pilot has before they take control of a plane full of people (or empty one, in the case of Pinnacle). Why did you feel the need to take it personal? I'm not attacking regional pilots; just Regional Airline operators like Colgan/Gulfstream and the 0 to hero flight schools in 12 months. its the reason we have such low wages/crappy QOL. Bringing down the industry as a whole


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