First piece of Airline Legislation
 

Good to see Schumer once again hitting the hard issues, like making sure people know what kind of airplane they fly on:rolleyes:

"Schumer introduced legislation last week that would require travel and airline Web sites to disclose which company actually operates a flight. He wants the information disclosed at the time of ticket sales, not when passengers are preparing to board."

Uhh, don't they already do that? I know US airways always shows the operating carrier.

Well we all know that people lose some kind of mental capacity when it comes to traveling, and likely just notice the mainline airline logo on the website, if even that. Seems like this clown wants to make it more apparent which airline you're actually flying. All people really care about anyway is the lowest number under the "$" column.

I was jumpseating into EWR one day. Pax sitting next to me kept talking about the great fare he got to got to wherever. When we landed in EWR he looked over and saw the Kallita 747s parked on the north side. Then he said to me excitedly, "Hey where do those guys fly"! Although, I will never know for sure. All I could sense was that he thought he just discovered the newest ultra low fare carrier!

What Shumer doesn't understand, or doesn't want to understand, is it is the job of the federal government to protect the public from their own ignorance. Some smoke and mirrors legislation may look good for his political campaign, but it won't produce any real change in the long run.


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I just visited the sites of United, American, US Airways, Delta, and Continental. They already tell you who operates the flight. The only one I found that doesn't say who operates it is Frontier.

Way to go Shumer, let's try our best to hinder more people from flying simply because we are underpaid and tired.

worthless........

How so? I'm trying to understand the implications. Just wondering how it will hinder people from flying?

Probably the only reason they don't is because Frontier doesn't use any contract carriers.

I may be wrong, but if you were Joe Public and were looking at tickets, would seeing a company you had never heard of (i.e. ASA, Shuttle America, Comair, etc.) operating your flight, would it affect your decision to purchase knowing that it wasn't Delta mainline or the equivalent.
People are retarded, they think that way.

They have Lynx, and if I'm remember right, Great Lakes does some routes for them.

Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner.

it wont change. CAL already plainly puts it on our tickets, and it even says we service the flight with non-jet type equiptment to boot. Its not even in fine print, but normal font, yet people never pay attention to it


American Travelers have ADD big time, the lowest fare is all they care.....

The problem is in people's understanding of the way a code share works, not in their knowledge of who is operating a flight. For example, I've talked to passengers who believe if they buy a ticket on a United website, and hop on a CRJ painted in United colors, that there is some sort of deep connection to United, as opposed to just a shallow little marketing agreement. They believe there is a connection to United's standards of training, experience, service, quality, etc. This isn't purely by accident, or coincidence. The marketing department at United wants people to have that impression. The aircraft are painted in their colors for a very specific reason. I have no problem with people being informed that the only connection between a regional and a major is paint and paper. However, as others have said, this legislation will fail in that endeavor.

He's not really changing a whole lot by doing this. As previously stated most airlines do tell you when you fly on a regional.

This seems more like a political move on his part than anything based on the common good.

I imagine he's thinking that if he makes it look like he's an advocate for the average traveler he can parade himself in front of everyone telling them how he saved them from the 'dangerous regionals'

Plus this sounds like something that would actually get passed pretty easily. I doubt there'd be much opposition to this. People are afraid and this helps the senate look like they're doing something about the problem, even if it changes absolutely nothing.

To quote H.L. Mencken: "The only way to look at a politician is down."

Words to live by, especially after Schumer's actions.

Yet another example of politicians clueless to reality trying to look like they are doing something without stepping on any toes of the big league lobbies.

I don't recall seeing that in the constitution....

Viva la Nanny State!

And people choosing only to fly on a mainline carrier is aBad Thing? Did you ever stop to consider that the more people choose to fly the name brand might lead to MORE MAINLINE FLYING AND MORE MAINLINE JOBS?

(Sorry about the caps, but as you say, "People are retarded")

I don't disagree with you about trying to create mainline jobs. Truth of the matter is that the regionals airlines are here to stay. I doubt that United Airlines is interested in sending a 737 from Denver to Farmington, NM that only has 25 people aboard.

Hmmm. In that case, maybe Farmington shouldn't be served at all since a half full RJ loses a lot of money on the flight. But I guess the commuter airline is fine with it because they get paid for every seat anyway.

This does not matter for 2 reasons

1) People do not have a "mainline" option for most places regionals fly. Look at you and Colgan. If someone wants to fly to CLL, LFT, AEX, ACT...etc they have 2 choices, a regional or drive.

2) If the city is served by mainline and a regional (XJet and CAL for example) people will always pick a flight that has the lowest cost and the flight the benefits their schedule best.

Almost every passenger would book on whatever gets them there the cheapest and in the shortest time...period!

completely worthless and we pay these morons with our tax money because???

Isn't this already a DOT or IATA requirement to list the operating carrier on the ticket?

Of course this law would really hurt priceline and hotwire where you buy without knowing what you're getting.

totally do not understand how this protects the travelling public... if it is to shield them from dangerous regionals.... tell me which mainline has never had an accident? (i'm sure someone is going to name one, but you get my point. and even then you'd have to take into account how long they've been in business because it's not fair to compare a 5 year old airlinee without a single accident, as opposed to a 20 year airline with one accident.)
and, regionals do make up more than 50% of all the flying... so unless people are travelling from hub to hub, how would they plan on ever avoiding a regional aircraft? (and even hub to hub is often flown by regionals with larger aircraft like RAH.) i cant believe this chuck is serving my beloved home state, he could be spending his time on a gazillion other things that matter.

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the public will only care about how much they pay for the tickets!!! This lady on our flight decided to fly to dallas and connect in columbus from la guardia to save $20. We were delayed for weather and had to sit for 3hrs on the ground. Did she not only miss her connection, but she had to pay for her own hotel for the night. Just to save $20. awesome....

Ha Ha!!! I'll bet she brought her own trail mix on board too!

1. Agreed.
2. IAH to ATL on 7/28 has 10 non stop flights. All are $69 one way. Six of them are flown by CO, the other four are flown by two competing regionals. I would rather have two more 73s eliminating the RJs: fewer crews, but the remaining jobs are much better.

And that's why a lot of pilots can't find a job right now, and more are getting furloughed.

Or an overbooked 1900 :D Either way the outcome is the same.

I've seen a woman cry and get off a 1900 while still parked on the ramp because she was terrified to fly on the thing. People don't like small airplanes, period. All you regional guys have heard the shock and disbelief of passengers boarding with all the 'wow/barbie-jet/omg' comments. Facts are facts, all the blood shed in this industry in recent years is written in scumbag regional airlines. If those Pinnacle clowns a few years back managed to kill innocent people on the ground with their lack of professionalism/immaturity/disregard for the profession, this story may have played out earlier. 350hr wonder-kids; C152 to jet-transport/turbo-prop pax carrying. needs to be disclosed, watch how many people will choose NOT to fly if they knew the experience of the crew!

Agree!! with 2co2fur1ex

It is actually funny to see their faces getting on the AC, and making comments like, "I booked my tickent on AA.com, Continental.com, BlahBlah.com", "What happened to the big plane?":eek:

Out of ideas on this....lets see..3EMJ slots in to LGA or one A320, Turbo props or jets, experienced pilots or 350 hr FO, with a COM/MEL fresh of the press.

I agree that if this prompted more people to desire mainline airplanes it would be a good thing. I also agree that Delta is never going to fly a MD-88 into GRR, CMH, LEX, etc. due to cost and all the reasons regionals exist in the first place. One solution may be the mainline operation of CRJ's ERJ's and the like. There's no law saying that the mainline can't operate them, and if mainline guys don't want to fly em, I bet I could find some furloughed regional pilots that wouldn't mind a seat on the mainline seniority list. I'm kinda doubt this is how it would work out, but it's nice to dream.

we can only hope this is the chance to reverse scope. I like flying a 340, but at mainline rates that would be 50-75% higher.

Mainlines take back the puddle jumpers!

And you did what? Went straight to the majors, right??? It never ceases to amaze me how the so called mainline pilots treat the current generation of regional pilots, you guys have such a chip on your shoulders it is literaly sickening. I suppose you think that you would gladly fly a mainline RJ, or more likely you would say I'm not flying that thing Im a real pilot I only fly heavy metal...if the regionals wearnt around youd be griping that you never get any time off or QOL...but what does my opinion matter all us regional pilots are just scumbags, right....

they may not like small planes, but there are hundreds of cities that a mainline jet just cannot serve, period. some cities its not even feasible for a regional jet, let alone a mainline jet. i see your point about 350 hr wonders carrying passengers... but this really doesn't exist anymore because that regional hiring boom ended a while ago. (or at least, those 350 wonders have now grown up to be 1500-2000 hr wonders, dont know at which point you'd consider them no longer "wonders" ) so i dont know what is the point of even bringing this up.

Right on TPROP, right on. But not all mainline pilots treat us like sh!t. I have met many that treat me as the professional I am trying to be. Granted, I always treat them as the elder, wiser pilots who I can learn something from (ie "Stay married to your first wife." :D). Anyways, I don't know what the solution to the airline industry is but I am ready to follow the man or woman that does. :cool:

No I didn't go straight to the majors, but I put my time in Flight Instructing/jumpers/trubo-props/RJ's. I was trying to point out the fact that the Regional Airlines need to change who they hire and what level of experience the pilot has before they take control of a plane full of people (or empty one, in the case of Pinnacle). Why did you feel the need to take it personal? I'm not attacking regional pilots; just Regional Airline operators like Colgan/Gulfstream and the 0 to hero flight schools in 12 months. its the reason we have such low wages/crappy QOL. Bringing down the industry as a whole