Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 642037)

Because they are following a pipe dream. If you read the CVR transcripts of the FO before they went down, she was talking about going to fEDEX/UPS/Alaska. Well, how many of us will be applying there? Just about everyone that meets the mins. The chances of you NOW going someplace that would make your above statement valid is lower than winning the lottery because in most cases it is impossible.

Originally Posted by 577nitro (Post 642095)

I'm not the problem, I know what the pay is, and I know what the life style is, and I don't complain. Those of you who constantly complain, and STILL stay in your joke of a pay position are. You say "I'll quit in an instant.." BS! If this were true, you would have already, the reality is that you LIKE/LOVE your job too much to quit. Because it is the "coolest job in the world" and to prove it, I give the argument that you and the other "pay sucks" guys, are still there flying for peanuts. It's not like your mentally challenged, or physically handicapped, your a pilot so you have to have some smarts. You could do almost anything else in the world that requires technical competency. So the old and tired argument of "I only know this" is BS also. If you want to be a beer taster, go for it, how hard could it be?

And, "No", I don't want to do anything else. If I made more money, I'd use it to fly more or start a 135 op just for fun.

I'll be more than happy to point anybody on this thread to a new exciting (yeah right) lucrative career in data center virtualizing. More money than you can image to be made ($75,000.00 starting), and its EASY for a smart guy. However, like everything in life there is a price to pay, high stress, tedious, boredom and having to deal with complete buffoons.

If money is your goal, EVERYBODY knows flying is not the route to go. So you must be doing it (flying) because you LOVE it, and its the "coolest job in the world" and money is secondary.

IMHO, the only way to raise the pay is to raise the standards. More hours to get in, require an ATP, require a four year degree in engineering, and require an IQ test. These things are weeders, and when the pool of qualified applicants shrinks, those that are left can demand more pay. This is how the rest of the world works, especially in the IT/Computer industry. Thats why Datacenter Virtualizing experts are in constant demand, are paid stupid amounts of money no matter what skill level they are. Demand and Supply, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by 577nitro (Post 642099)

So everybody that is flying for a living is following a pipe dream? I don't buy it.

Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 642029)

well said, F1 driver or actor................

Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 642100)

It's not easy to quit when you have so much invested. Not to mention your personal life. All this stuff is geared towards those from the outside looking in that actually have a choice.

Originally Posted by 577nitro (Post 642104)

No way, no how, do I believe this. This is pure defeatist attitude. I've changed careers three times in my life, and if I can, with a wife and three small kids, anybody can.

Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 642107)

If you have three kids and are interviewing for an entry level FO job, then good luck to you sir. 2nd or 3rd career? No care about pay? It all makes perfect sense, another case of someone making this a hobby.

Originally Posted by 577nitro (Post 642111)

Oh I care about the pay, I'm just smart enough to have many backup plans that allow me to pursue my passions without sacrificing my families quality of life. As far as flying as an FO, well don't we all have to start someplace. I mean if you have a better plan, please tell me and the rest how to start at the top as an mainline CA. Following your logic, or lack of, everybody entering this career is a hobbyist because we all have to start as an FO at low pay.:eek:

Originally Posted by 577nitro (Post 642111)

Oh I care about the pay, I'm just smart enough to have many backup plans that allow me to pursue my passions without sacrificing my families quality of life. As far as flying as an FO, well don't we all have to start someplace. I mean if you have a better plan, please tell me and the rest how to start at the top as an mainline CA. Following your logic, or lack of, everybody entering this career is a hobbyist because we all have to start as an FO at low pay.:eek:

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 642127)

Why don't we have this conversation again after you have actually entered this industry. Your comments are like a virgin preaching about how great sex is. Seriously, what do you know about being an airline pilot? Like everyone else, you won't understand until it's too late.

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 642005)

Just don't make things too wonderful there at Colgan. The second you do some 3rd rate lowball outfit will start snatching up all of your flying.

That is the problem with the fee for departure game. As soon as an airline becomes a halfway decent place to work you lose all of your flying to a bottom feeder.

Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 642489)

You must work for CAL mainline, right? Why else would you call the flying yours? Regionals do now own rights on routes.

Funny how Xjt pilots feels like Colgan is taking "their" flying. The same argument can be made by Cal mainline pilots who lost a lot of
their flying to XJT. The diference is that the CAL pilots truly lost
what was once theirs, no regional, regardless of Colgan,XJT, etc
owns or is entitled to any flying

Bottom line. By 2013 CAL will probably have 60 Q400 in operations and oil will be higher once the recession ends. What is your airline going to do in order to stay profitable? Continue to kick and scream against the "bottom feeder" Colgan?

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 642127)

Why don't we have this conversation again after you have actually entered this industry. Your comments are like a virgin preaching about how great sex is. Seriously, what do you know about being an airline pilot? Like everyone else, you won't understand until it's too late.

Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 642489)

You must work for CAL mainline, right? Why else would you call the flying yours? Regionals do now own rights on routes.

Funny how Xjt pilots feels like Colgan is taking "their" flying. The same argument can be made by Cal mainline pilots who lost a lot of
their flying to XJT. The diference is that the CAL pilots truly lost
what was once theirs, no regional, regardless of Colgan,XJT, etc
owns or is entitled to any flying

Bottom line. By 2013 CAL will probably have 60 Q400 in operations and oil will be higher once the recession ends. What is your airline going to do in order to stay profitable? Continue to kick and scream against the "bottom feeder" Colgan?

Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 642148)

Some advice: never let anyone tell you to forget your dreams.
Some more advice: don't listen to anyone in this forum, including myself.

Originally Posted by 577nitro (Post 642541)

I think I know enough to make a decent judgment on this. However, it sounds like you and the others on this forum who constantly complain how crappy the life and pay is NEVER researched the industry, and or put your eggs in one basket and now regret it. Well step aside and let those of us smart enough to make a go of it in. All your doing is bringing down everybody else with your lousy attitude. Again, if you hate flying quit and stop whining about it!:mad:

Oh, BTW, I turned down Lakes twice...after the sim-ride, due to the crappy pay. So I've done your dirty work of trying to increase pay, see this is what you have to do. Refuse to work for peanuts and they'll have to pay you more. As long as you agree to work for the lousy pay you'll never get more. But I doubt you and the other whiners have the nerve to this.

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 642545)

"your" meaning Colgan flying. I guess reading comprehension wasn't part of the Colgan interview. Colgan is one of the bottom tier airlines like it or not. If you manage to bring the standards up to the top tier regionals you will begin to lose flying to another low end regional. All you need to do is look at the casualties like Comair, Air Wisky, and Expressjet for evidence that I am right.

You are doing your best to reinforce my previous observation of Colgan pilots posting like paranoid rabid chihuahuas. Relax there sparky.

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 642551)

Boy I remember back when I had it all figured out. From now on I will turn to industry outsiders for advice on my career.

You went to the great Lakes interview a second time in hopes of them offering more money? Well if big bucks is what you wanted I hear Colgan is hiring again. Good luck champ.

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 642551)

Boy I remember back when I had it all figured out. From now on I will turn to industry outsiders for advice on my career.

You went to the great Lakes interview a second time in hopes of them offering more money? Well if big bucks is what you wanted I hear Colgan is hiring again. Good luck champ.

Originally Posted by 577nitro (Post 642541)

I think I know enough to make a decent judgment on this. However, it sounds like you and the others on this forum who constantly complain how crappy the life and pay is NEVER researched the industry, and or put your eggs in one basket and now regret it. Well step aside and let those of us smart enough to make a go of it in. All your doing is bringing down everybody else with your lousy attitude. Again, if you hate flying quit and stop whining about it!:mad:

Oh, BTW, I turned down Lakes twice...after the sim-ride, due to the crappy pay. So I've done your dirty work of trying to increase pay, see this is what you have to do. Refuse to work for peanuts and they'll have to pay you more. As long as you agree to work for the lousy pay you'll never get more. But I doubt you and the other whiners have the nerve to do this.