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Wait a min, is this for all jumpseaters? I work for AWAC and use United and never have a problem. But am I going to start having to buy ID90's too? One more reason I hate the airlines.

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Originally Posted by HalinTexas (Post 645141)

Didn't this forum and UAL pilots get all torqued up a few years ago when Airtran was charging $25 after the first JS?

Yo Hal.... News flash, United PILOTS have nothing to do with this policy in fact if anything we will be the ones to block it. Thanks for your understanding on this matter.

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Originally Posted by RamenNoodles (Post 645136)

Well not quite. They were supposed to start charging on a per leg basis, but they haven't. I jumpseat/nonrev on Delta regularly and have yet to be charged a per segment fee. They do; however, charge a much heftier annual fee than was charged last year. It appears United is charging UAX pilots $20 every time they want to ride in the back.

Delta also has an unlimited jumpseat policy while it appears that UAL will no longer offer this benefit. This bit alone is disastrous for commuters. If both you and I were trying to get on a UAL flight to DEN or wherever and there were 50 seats open, only one of us could go because there is only 1 jumpseat in the cockpit. Yes, an ID90 would solve that problem but it costs extra money and takes time that a commuter may not have before the flight departs.

I'm sure you already knew this stuff...I was really just babbling on for the sake of others so they can compare this to what is happening at UAL.

I'm talking about Delta not letting us jumpseat in the cabin unless we've paid our annual fee ($220).

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Originally Posted by BHopper88 (Post 645079)

As a SkyWest pilot that commutes from the east to the west coast, I have the need to fly on United from time to time. We got this email from our SAPA president, regarding the "fun" that United Express carriers are experience with the new nonrev fees. What wasnt understood was how jumpseating was going to work. WELL HERE IS THE LOWDOWN after our SAPA president contacted UNITED.... EVERY COMMUTER SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS and talk with their reps at ALL OUR AIRLINES.... There are a few issues that as PILOTS regardless of who we work for need to know and act on and in my opinion THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

Here is a cut from our President Update....

"Yesterday I called UAL to get clarification to something written in the SWOL Q & A (Question 13) that says we will not be able to jumpseat in any open cabin seat unless we paid our fee (remember for all the other UAX carriers it is $20.00 per leg… and could change for us come 2010 as well). UAL confirmed that this statement is TRUE. UNACCEPTABLE! What they also stated was that there are NO UNLIMITED JUMPSEATS as all cabin seats belong to UAL. In other words even our fellow pilots at ASA (UAL’s example) would be denied a cabin seat when attempting to jumpseat unless they had an ID90 (as they do not have UA travel benefits), or the flight was full and they could ride in the cockpit. I talked to UALPA today, and they are unaware of this statement, and will be researching it in the next few days (it COULD affect their jumpseat policy as well for OAL pilots). In the meantime, I think we need to campaign our management to NOT SIGN THE CONTRACT until we get this worked out. The bad news is that SkyWest is the only Express carrier to have not signed. The good news is that as long as SkyWest hasn’t signed, we will remain status quo (no changes to current structure).

Until I have 5yr with AMR I get charged to nonrev.

Im sure this will not go over well with other jumps you are going to start seeing UAL pilots not able to JS on other airlines if they only allow one or two.

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Originally Posted by flyboy626 (Post 645708)

Im sure this will not go over well with other jumps you are going to start seeing UAL pilots not able to JS on other airlines if they only allow one or two.

If it were up to the pilots, I'm sure most would allow as many jumpseaters as there are open seats. However, I'm betting United gate agents will play "gatekeeper" to enforce the new policy. (Much like DAL gate agents prevent us - Skywest - from jumpseating unless we've paid their annual fees.)

true but people will not see it like that

Once again the management team at United have demonstrated where their priorities are. The sad part is that this is only going to hurt the United pilots. Limiting jumpseats for other airline pilots will only warrant a reciprocating policy from other airlines.

thread creep addressing Delta Connection

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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 645661)

I'm talking about Delta not letting us jumpseat in the cabin unless we've paid our annual fee ($220).

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Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 646032)

If it were up to the pilots, I'm sure most would allow as many jumpseaters as there are open seats. However, I'm betting United gate agents will play "gatekeeper" to enforce the new policy. (Much like DAL gate agents prevent us - Skywest - from jumpseating unless we've paid their annual fees.)

FYI- both ASA and Skywest have unlimited jumpseat agreements with Delta. If you are an ASA or Skywest pilot (or any Delta Connection pilot) and the gate agent is refusing you access to a jumpseat on Delta (cabin or flightdeck) you need to first talk to the PIC of the Delta flight.

If the PIC can't be reached, or doesn't have the 'stuff' to tell the gate agent that the PIC is the one who grants jumpseat access, not the gate agent, you need to contact your jumpseat committee chairman.

The fee on Delta is for non-revenue travel. A pilot also has the ability to jumpseat. Different agreement, different rules, and the inability to non-rev doesn't preclude a pilot's ability to jumpseat, be it in the cabin or the flightdeck. Yes, it's complicated by the way Delta Connection pilots are usually listed (they're on-line, not off-line, which is using CASS), and it's really probably worth the fee just to avoid the hassle of an ignorant gate agent, but, by the principle of it, the fee is not required to jumpseat.

If you don't understand this (especially if you're a Captain, so its your job to grant jumpseat access on your own aircraft) please contact your jumpseat committee.

Sorry for the thread creep. Back to the thought of United's unlimited domestic jumpseat policy changing.

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Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 646323)

The fee on Delta is for non-revenue travel. A pilot also has the ability to jumpseat. Different agreement, different rules, and the inability to non-rev doesn't preclude a pilot's ability to jumpseat, be it in the cabin or the flightdeck. Yes, it's complicated by the way Delta Connection pilots are usually listed (they're on-line, not off-line, which is using CASS), and it's really probably worth the fee just to avoid the hassle of an ignorant gate agent, but, by the principle of it, the fee is not required to jumpseat.

Thanks for the info. I am aware of all that - however, it's often very difficult to get a hold of the PIC in SLC, short of calling crew scheduling and having them connect you. And the couple of times I've tried to JS without my fee being paid, the gate agents were quite stubborn about not allowing it. My wife occasionally uses Delta's ZED agreements, so I just pay the fee these days.

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Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 646323)

Sorry for the thread creep. Back to the thought of United's unlimited domestic jumpseat policy changing.

Let's talk about something else; I don't want to vomit on my keyboard again. But seriously, I'm not going to "opt in" for United travel benefits. If this new jumpseat agreement gets signed (I think it will), commuting to Chicago is going to get very difficult.