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Originally Posted by saxman66
(Post 647430)
Here's another rumor I heard from a Mesaba guy. They decided against giving Comair's 700's to Mesaba, but now they are going to trade 1 for 1 a Mesaba 200 for a Q400. You heard it here first!
Or replace 200's with new TP's, get rid of the Saabs, then furlough all the excess pilots? Either one sounds stupid enough to believe. |
If the Q400 does in fact violate delta scope. By being too heavy of a turboprop. I could see DALPA using this as a bargaining tool to get Embraers or CRJ-900s back to mainline.
The Q400 is such a comfortable and efficient airplane I wouldn't be surprised if this is what is holding back the orders right now. How would everyone at the DCI's feel about a 1 for 1 swap, Q400 for their large RJs? |
Originally Posted by Coehill
(Post 647711)
If the Q400 does in fact violate delta scope. By being too heavy of a turboprop. I could see DALPA using this as a bargaining tool to get Embraers or CRJ-900s back to mainline.
The Q400 is such a comfortable and efficient airplane I wouldn't be surprised if this is what is holding back the orders right now. How would everyone at the DCI's feel about a 1 for 1 swap, Q400 for their large RJs? |
Originally Posted by Coehill
(Post 647711)
If the Q400 does in fact violate delta scope. By being too heavy of a turboprop. I could see DALPA using this as a bargaining tool to get Embraers or CRJ-900s back to mainline.
The Q400 is such a comfortable and efficient airplane I wouldn't be surprised if this is what is holding back the orders right now. How would everyone at the DCI's feel about a 1 for 1 swap, Q400 for their large RJs? I say this as a regional guy who would get totally screwed by this type of growth at the majors and cuts at the regionals. I'd rather stay flight instructing or flying night cargo for a few extra years than get recalled by my regional. If I'm going to "pay my dues," I'd rather do it flight instructing or 135 night cargo flying than fly at the regionals. At least in that way I would have the possibility of a good career at the majors instead of a lousy/mediocre one that it looks like I'll be having at the regionals. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 647271)
In the last round we had far more extra training then in the last 30 years so perhaps in the next round the standards will change.
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
(Post 647770)
I'm sure that this had nothing to do with new hires going into a training program that had never had to deal with new hires before - and one that just happens to be the most diverse and complex operation in the airline.:rolleyes:
It mostly had to do with attitude, not ability. |
Originally Posted by FlyASA
(Post 647757)
As unrealistitc as it is I'd say DALPA try and force a 2-1 swap. 2 RJs of any size going to mainline for 1 Q400 going to the regionals. Let the Q-400s and the current trubo props fly truly regional routes instead of ATL-CVG or ATL-MDW etc. Grow the higher paying mainline jobs and crush the regional growth.
I say this as a regional guy who would get totally screwed by this type of growth at the majors and cuts at the regionals. I'd rather stay flight instructing or flying night cargo for a few extra years than get recalled by my regional. If I'm going to "pay my dues," I'd rather do it flight instructing or 135 night cargo flying than fly at the regionals. At least in that way I would have the possibility of a good career at the majors instead of a lousy/mediocre one that it looks like I'll be having at the regionals. Sad but true |
:mad:The bottom line is that an airline is a business and the only thing in this day and age that matters in business is the bottom line; and that is $$$$$. Major Airline pilots will never get back the scope they have already given up without having to give back something major in return. And for all those guys on the seniority list that have no worries of loosing their jobs or position will never do it. They will look out for themselves first always. It has been proven over and over again. The union will never get the vote and management will never put something on the table that is going to cost them more money. So for all you guys out there who keep apologizing because you fly for a regional STOP!!! You did not create this situation, people way older and supposedly way wiser have created this monster that we now know today. The regional pilot did not choose to operate E-170’s E-190’s or CRJ 900’s. The regional pilot did not make the decision to fly from ATL-CVG, or MEM-PHX; Major Airline management made that decision and their unions signed off on it to save themself from what ever impending doom was to come. Honestly a good number of Regional pilots out there today started at these airlines when they only operated small turbo props. In the end the Majors will keep using regional’s and as long as big daddy keeps giving up scope regional airlines will continue to grow; and as long as they are around they will bid one another against eachother for the lowest price. You want to see something change it is going to have to start at the top.
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Originally Posted by BE24pilot
(Post 647878)
:mad:The bottom line is that an airline is a business and the only thing in this day and age that matters in business is the bottom line; and that is $$$$$. Major Airline pilots will never get back the scope they have already given up without having to give back something major in return. And for all those guys on the seniority list that have no worries of loosing their jobs or position will never do it. They will look out for themselves first always. It has been proven over and over again. The union will never get the vote and management will never put something on the table that is going to cost them more money. So for all you guys out there who keep apologizing because you fly for a regional STOP!!! You did not create this situation, people way older and supposedly way wiser have created this monster that we now know today. The regional pilot did not choose to operate E-170’s E-190’s or CRJ 900’s. The regional pilot did not make the decision to fly from ATL-CVG, or MEM-PHX; Major Airline management made that decision and their unions signed off on it to save themself from what ever impending doom was to come. Honestly a good number of Regional pilots out there today started at these airlines when they only operated small turbo props. In the end the Majors will keep using regional’s and as long as big daddy keeps giving up scope regional airlines will continue to grow; and as long as they are around they will bid one another against eachother for the lowest price. You want to see something change it is going to have to start at the top.
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Originally Posted by spank
(Post 647931)
what he said...
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