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Hot off the press new Delta Connection Rumor
Mesaba getting Comair 700's? and CVG closing? heard it on Facebook...via a Mesaba employee's status message :o its a long stretch, but interesting...
RUMOR: "Mesaba FA's are supposedly being trained on differences for the CRJ-700" "Mesaba will be operating CRJ-700's which are currently being flown by ASA & Comair." "CVG will be closed as a base and Comair will see major reductions in flying and will then be liquidated" I have supplied all information that I have heard, my source is not very reliable,but I thought it deserved being placed on the board for discussion at least. -Furloughed from Comair- |
Originally Posted by par8head
(Post 646942)
Mesaba getting Comair 700's? and CVG closing? heard it on Facebook...:o
RUMOR: "Mesaba FA's are supposedly being trained on differences for the CRJ-700" "Mesaba will be operating CRJ-700's which are currently being flown by ASA & Comair." "CVG will be closed as a base and Comair will see major reductions in flying and will then be liquidated" I have supplied all information that I have heard, my source is not very reliable,but I thought it deserved being placed on the board for discussion at least. i think cvg closing has been coming for a while. and as far as comair our mec has told us they are losing several thousand hours this fall. I dont know how they know but our alpa reps told us that on our message board. Our company actually said in one of our updates that they are announcing more furloughs. funny how i haven't heard that stuff on here, but our management and mec seem to know so much. either that or if they scare us enough will will vote in whatever they throw at us. but thats another converstation. any way i doubt mesaba will be getting any planes from comair or anyone else for that matter. delta owns mesaba and has made it clear the path they will be taking in the immediate future. When times are tough delta will beat down their owned airlines because they can. They cant beat the contract carriers to much due to contracts. When times are good however they build up their airlines. They dont build up contract guys. |
Are you trying to say Mesaba will get ASA 700's?
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Hmmmm, I think I'll pass on the inflight rumors from facebook!:rolleyes: Yes Comair is losing some serious hours for the fall schedule. Managment has it going from 500+ hours down to a little over 400 hours. which is way lower than the 900+ hours we flew in 2008. Told to expect around 100 additional furloughs, but maybe the MEC and management can come up with some mitigation efforts.
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There is a lot coming in regards to DCI. I also believe that with 41 mainline flights a day, CVG can and will be covered by other bases. I also see that as the reason they put Mesa in CVG.
More to come on this. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 646974)
There is a lot coming in regards to DCI. I also believe that with 41 mainline flights a day, CVG can and will be covered by other bases. I also see that as the reason they put Mesa in CVG.
More to come on this. |
No it doesn't and there is more to come. I am not sure about EV giving up the 700's unless they are going to get all of the 900's the OH flies or another carriers.
Fact is that there is going to be a lot of blood letting at the DCI level. The DCI block hrs for the fall came out a few weeks ago, and it was ugly. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 646978)
No it doesn't and there is more to come. I am not sure about EV giving up the 700's unless they are going to get all of the 900's the OH flies or another carriers.
Fact is that there is going to be a lot of blood letting at the DCI level. The DCI block hrs for the fall came out a few weeks ago, and it was ugly. Any idea when we'll see some more info concerning this whole mess? Reliable info that is, I follow your posts on the major thread as well. It seems that you have access to some inside info that you can't always leak out. Just wondering if you might have a time line? |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 646978)
No it doesn't and there is more to come. I am not sure about EV giving up the 700's unless they are going to get all of the 900's the OH flies or another carriers.
Fact is that there is going to be a lot of blood letting at the DCI level. The DCI block hrs for the fall came out a few weeks ago, and it was ugly. |
Originally Posted by par8head
(Post 646942)
Mesaba getting Comair 700's? and CVG closing? heard it on Facebook...via a Mesaba employee's status message :o its a long stretch, but interesting...
RUMOR: "Mesaba FA's are supposedly being trained on differences for the CRJ-700" "Mesaba will be operating CRJ-700's which are currently being flown by ASA & Comair." "CVG will be closed as a base and Comair will see major reductions in flying and will then be liquidated" I have supplied all information that I have heard, my source is not very reliable,but I thought it deserved being placed on the board for discussion at least. -Furloughed from Comair- |
for the month of August we (pinnacle, 9e, nwairlink, delta connection) lost 1100 hours compared to july. not nearly as bad as we thought, and not nearly as bad as our april hours. but then again half of august is still part of the summer schedule.
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Where do you find out the block hours for each airline under DCI?
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hmmm... If I remember right, ASA owns most if its 700's. MOST.
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Originally Posted by H46Bubba
(Post 646968)
Hmmmm, I think I'll pass on the inflight rumors from facebook!:rolleyes: Yes Comair is losing some serious hours for the fall schedule. Managment has it going from 500+ hours down to a little over 400 hours. which is way lower than the 900+ hours we flew in 2008. Told to expect around 100 additional furloughs, but maybe the MEC and management can come up with some mitigation efforts.
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According to Richard Anderson's Twitter page, CVG will be closing as a hub in November, Comair will continue to shrink until it is small enough to be merged with Mesaba/Compass. I read his Tweets all the time. Right now he is tweeting and laughing at all the suckers employed at DCI carriers.
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Originally Posted by USMC3197
(Post 647055)
hmmm... If I remember right, ASA owns most if its 700's. MOST.
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Do regional guys every want mainline jobs? Too many newb's got hard ons for more RJ's. Please think about your future.
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Problem is that most cannot see past the need to get 500 hrs of 121 PIC to even be competitive for the majors. To get that you need a seat to do it in. To get that seat you need more RJ's. To get more RJ's you need the mainline to cave on scope. If they cave on scope you mainline job is farther away. Sounds like a hamster wheel to me.
Less than 10 years ago they were hiring guys with no jet time. Fact is they still did in 2007-08. DAL's take is if you have PIC turbine time, it does not necessarily need to be part 121. The whole reason people have decided to make the regionals their career is the total relaxation of scope. These days you are looking at 15 years to a left seat of anything at a major. Now in 10 years that will be down to less than two years. Good for the junior FO's just starting at the regionals or the ones that are starting flight school. Not good for the ones that want to come to the majors and are in their 30's. Just look at the retirements before you scream out loud that you want more RJ's. A little patience for the this instant gratification society. Because of the scope relaxation, I spend a decade at a regional. Not fun at all. |
Originally Posted by AirWillie
(Post 647009)
What about Mesa? They only fly out of CVG for Delta. I don't buy it mainly because there is no reason to transfer flying to Mesaba.
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Originally Posted by Spoilers
(Post 647065)
According to Richard Anderson's Twitter page, CVG will be closing as a hub in November, Comair will continue to shrink until it is small enough to be merged with Mesaba/Compass. I read his Tweets all the time. Right now he is tweeting and laughing at all the suckers employed at DCI carriers.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 647170)
Problem is that most cannot see past the need to get 500 hrs of 121 PIC to even be competitive for the majors. To get that you need a seat to do it in. To get that seat you need more RJ's. To get more RJ's you need the mainline to cave on scope. If they cave on scope you mainline job is farther away. Sounds like a hamster wheel to me.
Less than 10 years ago they were hiring guys with no jet time. Fact is they still did in 2007-08. DAL's take is if you have PIC turbine time, it does not necessarily need to be part 121. The whole reason people have decided to make the regionals their career is the total relaxation of scope. These days you are looking at 15 years to a left seat of anything at a major. Now in 10 years that will be down to less than two years. Good for the junior FO's just starting at the regionals or the ones that are starting flight school. Not good for the ones that want to come to the majors and are in their 30's. Just look at the retirements before you scream out loud that you want more RJ's. A little patience for the this instant gratification society. Because of the scope relaxation, I spend a decade at a regional. Not fun at all. |
Originally Posted by B00sted
(Post 647163)
Do regional guys every want mainline jobs? Too many newb's got hard ons for more RJ's. Please think about your future.
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
(Post 647233)
I couldnt agree with you more on this. I almost think that the economy had to slow down to teach people that you actually have to work for things in life. We are totally an instant gratification society unlike our parents and grandparents. We think - I go to college i build my flight time I go to a regional upgrade in two years and then i go to a major. I think this crappy economy is teaching us all something that it takes patience and dedication to get where you want to be and sometimes its going to be tough.
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
(Post 647233)
I couldnt agree with you more on this. I almost think that the economy had to slow down to teach people that you actually have to work for things in life. We are totally an instant gratification society unlike our parents and grandparents. We think - I go to college i build my flight time I go to a regional upgrade in two years and then i go to a major. I think this crappy economy is teaching us all something that it takes patience and dedication to get where you want to be and sometimes its going to be tough.
The sad reality of your comment is such that you can pretty much remove aviation references and drop this scenario into about any career today and the same often holds true. |
Originally Posted by B00sted
(Post 647163)
Do regional guys every want mainline jobs? Too many newb's got hard ons for more RJ's. Please think about your future.
Our government has taken a very laissez-faire approach to all of this. In Japan, you see very few regional jets. That is because their government will not allow their routes to become crowded. Japanese airlines would probably love to use RJs for their short routes as much as we do but the government has established rules that discourage them. I'm afraid we are kind of stuck with the situation that we have. And there may even be more transferring to smaller planes here. I think we should try to focus more on trying to increase the benefits for those who are/will be flying those planes. |
Originally Posted by laserman2431
(Post 647247)
Boosted. I agree with your premise that we should hope for more mainline jobs over the long haul. The problem is that we, pilot types, really don't have any control over what planes the companies decide to buy or how the companies use their planes. Or at least very little say in those decisions. We just fly the planes. The consumers, the company management and the government have much more control over those decisions.
Our government has taken a very laissez-faire approach to all of this. In Japan, you see very few regional jets. That is because their government will not allow their routes to become crowded. Japanese airlines would probably love to use RJs for their short routes as much as we do but the government has established rules that discourage them. I'm afraid we are kind of stuck with the situation that we have. And there may even be more transferring to smaller planes here. I think we should try to focus more on trying to increase the benefits for those who are/will be flying those planes. Just want to add, mainline senior pilots from prior military flying background who has been influencing the major airline hiring process for the past 20 years or so are responsible for this turbine time requirement. This requirement has forced many pilots to get that precious turbine time by flying for regionals for peanuts. If there was no turbine time requirement, I suspect fewer pilots will opt for regionals. Instead, more will stay instructing or fly corporate. |
Originally Posted by par8head
(Post 646942)
"Mesaba will be operating CRJ-700's which are currently being flown by ASA & Comair."
COMAIR of course is wholly OWNED...so anythings possible there I guess. |
Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
(Post 647257)
Very good point. In Japan and elsewhere like Korea or Germany, airline industry is highly regulated and hence fewer RJs. Plus, all pilots are under one seniority system unlike here.
Just want to add, mainline senior pilots from prior military flying background who has been influencing the major airline hiring process for the past 20 years or so are responsible for this turbine time requirement. This requirement has forced many pilots to get that precious turbine time by flying for regionals for peanuts. If there was no turbine time requirement, I suspect fewer pilots will opt for regionals. Instead, more will stay instructing or fly corporate. There is one last part left out by most pilots in the hiring equation. Majors understand they are hiring both a pilot and a manager. They look at the side of the equation also. Do well in college in a real major at a good school. It makes a big difference. Get some management experience outside avaition if possible. It makes a difference! |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 647271)
Most airline hiring practices are driven by results. I know at my airline they look at how the pilots they hire perform in training and on the line. They use that feedback to craft what they seek when they hire. In the last round we had far more extra training then in the last 30 years so perhaps in the next round the standards will change.
There is one last part left out by most pilots in the hiring equation. Majors understand they are hiring both a pilot and a manager. They look at the side of the equation also. Do well in college in a real major at a good school. It makes a big difference. Get some management experience outside avaition if possible. It makes a difference! |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 647260)
The boys in St. George are not stupid...when they took ASA off of DAL's hands they required long-term contracts with certain minimum levels. I don't think DAL can take away any more of ASA's flying.
COMAIR of course is wholly OWNED...so anythings possible there I guess. |
Originally Posted by AirWillie
(Post 647009)
What about Mesa? They only fly out of CVG for Delta. I don't buy it mainly because there is no reason to transfer flying to Mesaba.
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Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon
(Post 647389)
You mean other than money?
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Originally Posted by USMC3197
(Post 647055)
hmmm... If I remember right, ASA owns most if its 700's. MOST.
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Here's another rumor I heard from a Mesaba guy. They decided against giving Comair's 700's to Mesaba, but now they are going to trade 1 for 1 a Mesaba 200 for a Q400. You heard it here first!
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Originally Posted by saxman66
(Post 647430)
Here's another rumor I heard from a Mesaba guy. They decided against giving Comair's 700's to Mesaba, but now they are going to trade 1 for 1 a Mesaba 200 for a Q400. You heard it here first!
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no no no, you have it all wrong!! here's whats really in the works, OSHA is concerned with the working conditions of all fo's when it comes to walkarounds. With all the flying bag carts, fuel trucks, and catering trucks running around the ramp its just gotten too dangerous :eek:. So the solution will be a Segway positioned at every jetbridge. Just remember to wear the orange vest and NEVER forget to plug it back in when you're finished using it.
You heard it hear first..... |
Where are you guys getting all this cool aid? I prefer Beam! If these rumors are true ASA will get 2/3 of whatever airframe they are anyway and lose more 200s at 1:2 ratio...haven't we learned this already?:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 647449)
no no no, you have it all wrong!! here's whats really in the works, OSHA is concerned with the working conditions of all fo's when it comes to walkarounds. With all the flying bag carts, fuel trucks, and catering trucks running around the ramp its just gotten too dangerous :eek:. So the solution will be a Segway positioned at every jetbridge. Just remember to wear the orange vest and NEVER forget to plug it back in when you're finished using it.
You heard it hear first..... Im liking this one! Can we get the bright yellow vests they make us use up in Winnipeg though!? :D |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 647170)
Problem is that most cannot see past the need to get 500 hrs of 121 PIC to even be competitive for the majors. To get that you need a seat to do it in. To get that seat you need more RJ's. To get more RJ's you need the mainline to cave on scope. If they cave on scope you mainline job is farther away. Sounds like a hamster wheel to me.
Less than 10 years ago they were hiring guys with no jet time. Fact is they still did in 2007-08. DAL's take is if you have PIC turbine time, it does not necessarily need to be part 121. The whole reason people have decided to make the regionals their career is the total relaxation of scope. These days you are looking at 15 years to a left seat of anything at a major. Now in 10 years that will be down to less than two years. Good for the junior FO's just starting at the regionals or the ones that are starting flight school. Not good for the ones that want to come to the majors and are in their 30's. Just look at the retirements before you scream out loud that you want more RJ's. A little patience for the this instant gratification society. Because of the scope relaxation, I spend a decade at a regional. Not fun at all. |
DCI flying is going to go where it always has gone, to the lowest bidder. You guys should know that by now. End of discussion.
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