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07-21-2009 | 09:41 AM
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According to your original post you think is ok to make sub par wages on mainline aircraft because that's capitalism? Or because you will potentially lose 1 or 2 partners? And what about integrating the seniority list?
You're going to have to explain your logic in a bit more detail, otherwise you sound like another Bedford cheerleader. Capitalism has nothing to do with your group's ability to negotiate mainline wages for mainline aircraft. Bedford is trying to create a sub-segment of the industry, mainline airline, regional pay and rules. If you and your co-workers don't see how your desicions on your next contract affect the industry, then is you who needs to go. Go back to school, get into management, your attitude would be best served there and not on the side of labor.
Unfortunately, I think all of RAH's pilots are of the same fiber as you and TD, always trying to justify Bedford's actions, without thought of what it may mean to you as a pilot and to your brothers across the board.
07-21-2009 | 09:59 AM
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The companies RAH owns flies for majors, so unless RAH keeps Midwest and Frontier on seperate seniority lists (can they do that or do they have to merge lists?) they'll have a serious conflict of issue. It might be a spirt of the law vs. letter of the law debate but with good enough laweyers a judge could find RAH in violation of their contracts with their major partners. After all this is America.
You can argue all the legal technicalities you want but when you get down to it RAH is biting the hand that feeds it and thus there could be some serious ramifications.
You can argue all the legal technicalities you want but when you get down to it RAH is biting the hand that feeds it and thus there could be some serious ramifications.
07-21-2009 | 10:02 AM
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And cause you have access to the contracts?
07-21-2009 | 10:03 AM
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Show a single post by anyone here ever made that has stated this isn't exactly what we are doing. You just like to hear yourself ramble on.
07-21-2009 | 10:16 AM
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A little research? There hasn't been any from ANYONE!
Midwest stopped making payments on the airplanes under the "shock and awe" negotiating strategy of the consultants that were hired by the new owners (TPG). Then they went to Boeing and Rolls Royce, and told them what they were willing to pay for the airplanes.
Boeing agreed. What else were they going to do with 25 717s?
Midwest's CEO said, "wait, let's come back tommorrow, and talk about another five grand lower per plane per month."
The next day Boeing said' "just give us back the airplanes."
Oops. Midwest had to find some airplanes QUICK! Frontier just broke Republic's contract, so they had 12 airplanes that could fly in two months. Midwest pulled back to a 21 airplane schedule, so Boeing let them keep 9 on short term leases. Meanwhile, all 25 were on the market, and Boeing found a customer. A dios.
Arrogance was the reason why Midwest was flying 9 airplanes, but some people seem to think that they're saving a dying airline. If that was really the case, why did the park the airplanes with the lowest seat mile costs, 5 of which they owned, and the others were on property for lunch money? Maybe because this deal was 13 months in the making, and MD-80s weren't part of the plan.
Stay tuned kids.
Midwest stopped making payments on the airplanes under the "shock and awe" negotiating strategy of the consultants that were hired by the new owners (TPG). Then they went to Boeing and Rolls Royce, and told them what they were willing to pay for the airplanes.
Boeing agreed. What else were they going to do with 25 717s?
Midwest's CEO said, "wait, let's come back tommorrow, and talk about another five grand lower per plane per month."
The next day Boeing said' "just give us back the airplanes."
Oops. Midwest had to find some airplanes QUICK! Frontier just broke Republic's contract, so they had 12 airplanes that could fly in two months. Midwest pulled back to a 21 airplane schedule, so Boeing let them keep 9 on short term leases. Meanwhile, all 25 were on the market, and Boeing found a customer. A dios.
Arrogance was the reason why Midwest was flying 9 airplanes, but some people seem to think that they're saving a dying airline. If that was really the case, why did the park the airplanes with the lowest seat mile costs, 5 of which they owned, and the others were on property for lunch money? Maybe because this deal was 13 months in the making, and MD-80s weren't part of the plan.
Stay tuned kids.
07-21-2009 | 10:24 AM
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ahhhhhhhhhh..RAH fan boys...... Its only a matter of time now.
07-21-2009 | 10:27 AM
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He also wants the F9 pilots to give up unlimited scope. He's setting it up to play the two groups against each other. If F9 caves on this (which I pray they don't), we'll see 190s in Frontier colors before long flown at crap wages. If F9 won't take the concessions to fly em then bring in Republic and furlough F9. Thats my take anyway.
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