We are not a downward drag on pay. Total compensation wise we are among the top, hourly rate wise we are merely above average.

As for what we’re doing.........I hate to be critical of my own but the majority of SKW pilots only care about themselves. They don't see the big picture because their too busy drinking Kool-Aid. This pilot group will never set the bar and it will never hold the bar.

It's sad but it's true.

Please do tell. I fly my flights and go home. I do not want you guys here but I make no attempt to harass you guys in any way.

Have to agree
 

Have to agree with Mushroom on this one.
Sapa asked specifically not to post any of what ever SAPA sends to us.

Parts of it may be public info but "SAPA - Pilot" communication does not have to be "public info"

people will take any opportunity you give them to be provoked.

To ask them kindly to behave while posting possible provocative info makes it even worse.

Even if we know that none of the ATL CVG flying that you mention was or is ASA former flying..............how will you make them (ASA) guys believe that when they are facing cuts?

We have to be sensible about any news and how they are presented as it may be turned into something that it is not. To just claim it is public and you can find it on that and this list does not free you from what it may start.................

Maybe that is why SAPA asked not to post..............

I disagree on pay. I cant quote numbers at the moment but I am pretty sure ASA is ahead of you guys but that is beside the point. I feel no malice toward you our your pilot group. I am a bit upset about losing my captain seat while SKW is in ATL flying flight we could just as easily do. You are here because you have aq cheaper labor cost. Not 100% your fault but hey, I need a punching bag. I really wish we could merge. Otherwise am afraid we will be in a, I hate to use the terminology, a whipsaw situation."

That's very big of you. You are aware that Mesaba is wholly owned, and sorta therefore is kinda Delta? I'm just sayin'.......

So.... the point of this statement was....??? To say that you are a Delta pilot??? You may want to take another look at that logic again. All that means is the Delta can $krew you over without a court. Talk to a Comair pilot and ask them what OWNED by Delta really means. Doesn't make you Delta.

Nope. The point was (is) that, right, why would SKW have any reason to feel resentment toward Mesaba pilots? I'm painfuly aware of the pitfalls of working for a DCI W/O carrier, thanks. At the end of the day, the routes are going to go to whoever DL sees fit to fly them for whatever logic they choose to apply. My point was that XJ isn't some pi$$ant little operator that wormed thier way into the flying. Ergo, why be bitter toward anyone? We're all going to take it in the can in some way before this is all over.

This kind of says it all. You guys are fighting over something that doesn't belong to any of you. To say some other company or pilot group "stole our flying," is a non starter. If it doesn't belong to you, how can it be stolen from you?

While I certainly understand company pride and loyalty, at the end of the day, all regionals are just providing contracted lift for some other airline. (Leaving out "Branded flying," as that obviously doesn't fit here.) The flying will always flow to the cheapest provider, until the product becomes so shoddy that it would be better to just do it in house. We're not there yet, but getting closer to it every day.

That's rich............try talking to a few Comair guys. I'm just sayin'..........

If that was all you said then I am sure everyone would agree with you. (lowest bidder is the winner)

One thing I will admit though... BEFORE the merger DCI was already getting overcrowded. So it is understandable that you guys will get some dirty looks because you just moved into a house with no more rooms. But WE ALL also understand that MESABA and COMPASS had no choice in the matter. You are just the new kids on the block that's all. But do take a CLOSE look at Comair... look at their history... what they were and what they are now. It really sucks for them. I got friends at MESABA and from what I was last told... furlough is around the corner for them too. We all know the DL cuts in the FALL are deep and it hurts, no one is calling you a pi$$ant airline. Everyone is just frustrated, the senior guys can't move to mainline, the junior guys can't get senior and the probies are getting furloughed. No movement in the industry, just low wages, junior manning and less flying..... hmmm Why did I chose this as a career again? (I think I just got myself depressed :rolleyes:)

I am not sure that your management had anything to do with keeping a lot of the flying. If that is the case then our pinnacle management is as good as skywest management. and we all know that isn't true. Pinnacles 900 flying is growing this fall and the 200 flying is being pulled back a little for a total loss of 1% of our block hours. thats all we are losing this fall. They must have thought it was going to be worse than that because we have this new reduced line loa that we signed. The only thing with that is they offered it to a ton of people, and then changed their minds and only gave out a few. i think what is saving skywest and pinnacle is our contracts. the wholly owneds unfortunatley are the ones that will be taking the beatings in the near future.

Because ASA is being phased out... duh.

How long has it been since your last raise? You're keeping flying because it's all about the $$$. You guys are cheaper than us... by a lot. Not just in pay rate, but especially in longevity!

Several of us told ALPA they were pricing us out of the game. ALPA didn't listen, and excommunicated us. Now the prophesy is coming true. ASA will be gone within 5 years.

Thanks jetjock for making all skywest pilots seem like arrogant jerks. Didn't know we voted you in for class president. By your same logic it would be ok to post your name on here because it is 'public' info that is easily found, right?

ps-you might wanna check out the sapa forums, or maybe not.

He didn't post the letter and I'm sure he's regretting what did come of the meaningless info he did post.

Just let it go.

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