SkyWest Fall DAL Flight schedule update
 

Looks like DAL's not going to be cutting our flying all that much this fall thanks in part to Mgmnt's creative abilities.

I'm puzzled why ASA Mgmnt hasn't been more proactive in pursuing pro-rate flying and other more creative options for ASA aircraft and crews.

Note: ASA pilots please continue to show your professionalism and keep it civil. Remember that if you were still owned by DAL you’d probably be headed down the same road as Comair. JMHO.

Lucky for you guys...... we just ended up getting hosed.

Yes, 4 years ago I was hoping for an interview at OH (lived in Prospect, KY (SDF) for almost 6 years).

I guess in the end it’s truly just dumb luck.

That is really puzzling, I'm sure it will really **** off the ASA guys if skyw 200's are in ATL. Jerry prolly told Brad that they were going to take care of skyw first, and we at asa will be left to pick up the sloppy seconds.

There are reasons for everything, and I am sure that what you are being told is not exactly the way it went down.
EV is getting hosed, they know it, and it is what it is. It is part of the deal when you are owned by someone else.

From knowing how this arrangement works, ASA management is told what to do and how to do it. Lets not kid ourselves, they will always protect SKW first. It is SKW Holdings baby.

Without a doubt.

ASA has much higher costs than skywest. Remeber also back in 2005/2006 when ASA was purchased by skywest and ASA was negotiating a new contract. ALPA did nothing but drag its feet on the 700 and 900 pay and didn't want to even meet half-way.

Also I don't know if you should be posting that on a public forum, that was info sent out in a company e-mail.

ASA's cost can't decrease much with furloughs in place. Everything continues to get more expensive. The cheapest pilots are gone.

I have no doubt that there’s a double standard here and SKW Airlines will always be their baby. Not that I like it but all others will just be supporting cast.

I expected that and FYI Slap, SKW is a publically held company therefore this information is made available to the public and isn't considered private. Thus the reason why I only posted the info that can be found using public channels.

I don't really think this is sensitive info but I'm curious what public channels this is available through.

Flight load schedules and aircraft utilization schedules are published and most can be found through the SEC in quarterly and yearly reports.

If these reports were not published then this would be considered insider information which would make it illegal for SKW to release the info to its employees. We as pilots are not in the "know."

"Please don’t forward or post any of the following info on any message board".
-JP

I was wondering how long it would take to get to these forums after he included that little statement.

Back on topic.

I have no issues with this, times are tough and I’m glad we have a scrappy Mgmnt team.

Best of luck to all.

Keeps the union drive at bay.

SKW management went through a lot of trouble since BH took over at ASA to boost moral and make it seem like they actually cared about our employees. Lately, the words are still there but they are furloughing pilots, badly abusing our FAs and hardly even waving goodbye as we lose stations. And now they shift flying for Skywest this fall to avoid a big reduction in schedule while ASA takes a huge cut.

The only thing I can figure is that SKW has more of a vested interest in keeping the Skywest pilots happy and union activity at bay. Disappointing news but not really surprising!

I can see how it may feel like that but I wouldn’t call this a "shift in flying." It sounds more like additional at-risk flying.

While I admit being somewhat bitter about the furloughs ;) I was more curious why ASA management (we are the same company after all!) wouldn't try to do the same thing.

Looks like Mesaba is still in SLC for the fall schedule. So much for our "temporary" presence huh? The snide comments and the obvious push-back games are getting old too.

I agree............

What kind of games are being played and what kind of snide comments are being said? I don't get to fly out west so I don't see how things are going in SLC.

Most is an overreaction and many normal acts are probably perceived the wrong way (Perception of being block, being keyed up over, puns, etc.) We (SKW) have no need to feel ill-will toward Mesaba, after all we haven't lost any flying and our flying isn't being reduced. The few times something has actually happened it’s probably no different than what ASA has done and is doing to us in ATL or what Comair is doing to F8 in CVG or what 9E guys do to Mesaba guys, etc..

It’s no more than an overreaction on both sides.

I don't care if Mesaba ends up with an SLC domicile; all I care about is that our flying is not being reduced. In the end we are still going to fly 80+% of the SLC flying, just as our contract dictates. Currently we are well above that mark so DAL still has a little wiggle room for Mesaba, Compass or whoever to wet their whistle with.

If a few of our pilots are making asses out of themselves then just remember that there are bad apples in every bushel. Do you really think that Mesaba is free of a few rotten spuds?

BTW, I’ve seen you guys several times in SFO and welcome to the west. The flying out here is much more fun than out east and there is a hell of a lot more to do on overnights. Not to mention how beautiful it is, with the exception of the central valley in CA and most of NV.:rolleyes:

Like what? I haven't heard any of this. Didn't realize it was going on. Some people need to grow up.

I've heard Mesaba is really well liked in SLC by the gate agents and rampers over SkyWest....

I heard pinnacle is taking over All of mesaba's slc stuff in january

The only time i've heard any comments in ATL from ASA is when we get told by ramp or ground to follow the 'company Saab'. :p We're far more likely to poke fun at our own while on our home turf!

I heard?....................that's the perception of one or two about one or two. Nice flamebait.

"Note: ASA pilots please continue to show your professionalism and keep it civil. Remember that if you were still owned by DAL you’d probably be headed down the same road as Comair and if Slaphappy posts on here just ignore him."

Even if this was true, you sound like an a$$. This stuff may be available on "other channels" but you and I know the intention of SAPA (for this memo anyway) is to keep our communications in private. You are probably the guy who wonders why the company doen't share more "info" with us.

Trying to sound like you speak for SW doen't make it so.

Mushroom

What I have to complain about is you guys being in Atlanta. We were pushed out of SLC by your management. You guys need to pack up and leave. I am subsidizing your QOL. Not your fault but still. Don't tell me about your good fortune at the expense of my people and then wonder why I wouldnt hand you a golf shoe if your hair was on fire. It would be too kind a gesture.

I'm not ****ed at Skywest, they are going to do what they got to do but as an ASA furloughee I'm obviously disappointed. Although regional flying never really belongs to anyone I'm guessing that more and more of the aircraft and flying ASA currently has is going to end up at Skywest. That's just the way of the world. Things could be much worse, we could be getting slapped around like Comair.

I'm going to jump ship if Skywest ever offers jobs to ASA furloughees, the ASA ship seems to be taking on water. :(

Toning it down

Hey JetJock,

About the public memo part and posting it on here. When RAH company memos were coming on this website, very recently, every memo that RAH now puts out, in bold at the end of the memo it basically says,

This is company material. Anyone who distributes this on the internet will be punsihed by disciplinary actions up to termination.

Now I am paraphrasing this and not quoting the whole thing :) but seriously bud, bad move. Dont post company material on message boards. RAH is publicly traded also and they do not like it hence the bold parargraph at the end of every company memo.

Be safe

My entire post was to show that there are pilots, at every carrier, who haven't grown up and continue to show their asses.

As for ASA’s tricks toward SKW, they are becoming rare but during the summer of 07 up until early 08 it was a daily annoyance. Let’s just leave it there. Thank you.

Hey, those are your feelings and you have a right to them. I understand and you won't hear me say you’re entirely wrong.
I deleted the profanity now grow up.

I dont know what tricks. I go I fly I go home. I dojt have the time or inclination fore tricks

OK. I apologize for the implied profanity. Noy my greatest moment and their is no excuse. I will try to be more professional in the future. It is not your fault for being here and taking our jobs/captains seats. But please stop flying on the cheap. You guys are a downward drag on pay and it needs to stop.

Now I was noce and I have abstained from profanity. What are you guys doing to help the industry?

You're right; there are no bad apples at ASA. No one’s ******* stinks over there. :rolleyes:

I have no desire to post example that I have experience firsthand for they are childish and I know that every pilot group has their fair share of asses who bring down the rest.

Good day.