RAH to get 190 from US Airways?
 

US Airways considers cutting its E-190 fleet
By Lori Ranson

US Airways considers cutting its E-190 fleet


US DoT Filing: Republic Airline, Inc. | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation


Management at US Airways has launched an evaluation of elimination its fleet of 25 Embraer E-190s through direct sales or subleases.
Today during an earnings call with analysts and investors carrier President Scott Kirby said the fleet represents roughly 2.5% of total consolidated capacity at US Airways, and cutting the fleet would give the carrier additional flexibility to reduce its available seat miles.
Kirby also explains the E-Jet represent a small sub-fleet whose elimination could also create operational gains for the carrier. The aircraft are also in demand globally, so US Airways believes getting rid of the E-Jets is something the carrier "can effectively implement from a financial perspective", says Kirby.
US Airways owns the 25 aircraft, and company chief executive Doug Parker stresses the potential cutting of E-Jets from its fleet is not to raise liquidity, but to enhance long-term profitability.
In August 2005 US Airways issued a request for proposal to regional partners Air Wisconsin, Mesa Air Group and Republic Airways Holdings to operate up to 25 E-190s once it merged with America West.
But after mainline pilot protests a transition deal was ratified by America West and US Airways pilots to limit E-190 flying to mainline operations.

Didn't Midwest run 25 717's?

Plus 15 MD-80s

Maybe then we can keep our Dash 8's that actually make money for the company

Maybe RAH will buy USAir and just integrate everyone together into one big happy family...

That is hilarious

Leave it to B1900YX to always have up to date information on RAH...thanks buddy! :cool:

No offense to the Mad Dog crowd. I just thought it was fairly "tidey" to have the same numbers, but then I added the initial 2.

because nobody listens to quaterly reports or watches the news.

It just keeps getting better and better!

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The answer to the question posed in the thread title is: "Only if US Airways pilots surrender their scope. AGAIN."

I don't think BB is quite as good looking as Christina :D

Not if the 190's are destined to support their operations at Frontier & Midwest.

They could swap them for Frontier Airbuses.

You're right...I read it as though RAH would be flying 190s for Airways.

:o

mmmmmm news to my ears!!!!!! I think on my next MKE sit I am going to go grab a nice cozy seat and watch RAH loose alot of money......

You do realize these are the EMB-190's owned and operated by US Air mainline, don't you? You realize this is a reversal of these jets staying at mainline, right?

Or, did you just see Republic in the post and wanna play keyboard commando?

What you meant to say is they WILL swap them for F9 airbii.

Why swap anything? How about just take the aircraft. Doesn't Airways owe money to RAH. They could just simply right off the loan for a specified amount of aircraft. Instant assets with no payments. Easier to turn a profit that way.

By the way, this is all speculation that RAH will get those planes.

Republic has enough on it's plate. In this economy would it really be wise to be EXPANDING WITH 16 AIRPLANES (25-9)? That's a lot of new markets and a lot of new growth.

Not only that does Republic really have the money to buy two complete airlines and buy (forgive debt... whatever) 25 aircraft all inside of a few months? That's a lot of $$$.

Yes this is all speculation and will not be surprised if any of this does not happen.

But Doug himself said these aircraft are in high demand. The way I see it they also just happen to be in high demand by a airline that said they are replacing an entire fleet with them in the very near term yet have none on order.

What money are you talking about? $6 million in cash for Midwest? The Frontier deal is mostly in financing and has no bearing on RAH's cash position, they are simply assuming Frontier's debt. Do you understand Corporate finance?

A little interesting tidbit is the USAir 190s are owned! So used would probably fetch 30ish mill a piece. Republic doesn't have that kind of scratch with these other deals in the fire. I figure if USAir gets rid of these birds they will go overseas.

Good Point Powrful1.

Or, do you think Airways will lease them to Republic to get the monthly revenue stream. Think maybe Airways Pilots are already getting a deal under the table from their mgmt, and BB.

Maybe, kind of like, " We will lease the E190's from you, provide you with a revenue stream, to avoid your going into Bankrupsy and layoffs of your Pilots ".

In Return, they give up scope to avoid layoff by their Airways Mgmt, and Airways allows Republic to fly those E190's under the Airways Express Brand, and move into PHX with them in 2010 when Mesa's time is up.

Just a thought?

airlines without RJ's make money= southwest, airtran, spirit......airlines with RJ's loose money= delta, united, usair.....

"US Airways owns the 25 aircraft, and company chief executive Doug Parker stresses the potential cutting of E-Jets from its fleet is not to raise liquidity, but to enhance long-term profitability."


No I don't.

But I do know how to read and use common sense.

Whether you pay cash or assume someone else's debt it does not necessarily make you a top candidate for additional financing to buy additional aircraft. Especially for this crazy animal Bedford's trying to build.

Thanks though.

Pilots who don't know the difference between loose and lose don't know what they are talking about.

Get a clue. Loose vs Lose - e Learn English Language

what are the numbers for 190s?

20, 25?

Who said RAH would have to buy them. Ever hear of ILFC?

BB: "Hey Steven, ol' buddy ol' pal. If you buy those 25 190s, I'll lease them from you for $XXX."

SUH: "Doug, I know you want $30M each for your 190's, but I'll wire you $500M for the lot by COB today."

DP: "Deal."

i find it funny how airways trying to scrape up some cash and get rid of a fleet it never really wanted in the first place equates to Republic taking over the world some more with the fore-mentioned 190's

Pure speculation by people these would end up at RAH but nothing says everything has to be paid in full all at once. RAH could consider debts by US Air covered, they could cut the rates on other flying for them, they could finance the purchase with US Air, or they could swap aircraft for them.

Wishful (possibly truthful) thinking TD.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not wishing for them to come here at all. Just saying there are always possibilities.

The absolute ONLY way I could see Republic flying 190s for USAir is a huge scope release with a J4J program that would bring furloughed pilots back to work.

This of course is kinda like 99942 Apophis hitting earth in 2029. Slim to none.

Maybe they wouldn't be flown for USair. Perhaps BB wants them for his new fleet program and would put them to work as Midwest birds.

And you can bet there will be a battle royal for any acft asset sales from a still kicking LCC to come with pilots. I kind of like the idea of RAH getting 25 acft and LCC pilots at DOH. USAPA may suck, but they'll have the RAH MEC for lunch on a seniority integration

Back in the day, were'nt Mid-Atlantic E170s owned by Mainline USAir? I seem to recall that RAH didn't take the pilots then either.

Wasn't that a BK J4J deal that the MEC signed off on? It was also a tragedy and a debacle that I doubt any MEC would ever revisit, especially LCC.

On an asset sale, crews don't necessarily go with the planes. LCC can sell the planes to a third party who in turn can transfer them to RAH.

Explain to me why LCC can't sell the 190s to anyone they want? Afterall that's exactly what they are talking about doing. If BB wants to put them on Midwest he could place a bid like everyone else.

well said, but i'd edit slightly - airlines without contract carriers make money = southwest, airtran, spirit......airlines with contract carriers lose money = delta, united, usair....(except airways made money in the last quarter, but it loses more in general). i don't think it's the size of the airplane, but who's flying them that's losing the airline the money.

Apples to oranges. You're looking at different business models. SWA and their hedging lasted just long enough to avoid what most airlines were dealing with. In a good year an airline like CAL will make WAY more than SWA or the likes.

Already said.....