MKE-LAX E-190s
 

Rebulic just initiated nonstop MKE-LAX service with the E-190 but rumor has it that they are not being flown by Repubic or Midex pilots? Are the out sourcers being outsourced?

before start checklist Edwin

being flown by republic pilots. your rumor is incorrect

So the rumor that the feds gave a thumbs down to the differences training is just a malicious rumor?

differences is 2 sims, short ioe and a bit of online training. any other rumor is incorrect

oh thank god... I was starting to sweat a little

The E-190 is not a regional jet. Those flights should be operated with Midex crews. Airtran and Southwest will dominate MKE in about 5 year. Just an educated guess. It is a stong market. Not that I want to see midwest go away, I just do not want republic flying it.

Midwest "went away" two days ago :(

Are the 717s still flying?

they are flying and will be till January or so. the Midex certificate is going away when the last boeing is parked. the midex crews cannot touch the 190s till they are on the RAH seniority list, I imagine that will be awhile.

RAH isn't going to keep the Midwest certificate? When/where did they say that?

I'm truly impressed with the class and respect shown by the RAH pilot group. :rolleyes: Unfortunate.

Town hall pod cast. 190s will be on rw certificate and yx operating certificate will go away. Brand name stays, just the operating cert goes.

That seems like a great way to get the YX guys to expidite the seniority integration.

After the Midwest pilots fall in line he'll most likely change his mind and decide to keep the certificate.

Thats ok. Make it last a while. Then when they get the arbitration won, via ALPA (a real union unlike yours), they will get back pay and make BB hurt where it counts. And then all your whiney E175 guys can sit back and enjoy DOH winning out and being forced well down on a seniority list. I hope the Midex guys stick it out just to make and educate some of the RAH pilots on how things work. Thus getting a pay rate for a plane, work rules, and mostly how seniority will win out and they will be placed before most of you fools.

I surely hope, most RAH pilots dont have your attitude about things. Because its sad and very unfortunate to the industry as a whole.

you sound happy about this little fact. glad to see you lowering the bar.

I hope not. 300 have been sacrificed, whats another 100 more? In the glee to get rid of Midwest, RAH loses their payrates for that certificate as leverage in bargaining, but they can then fly a 190 for $37/hr. Whopee!

I don't see how you can determine my "happiness" when all I was doing was answering a question with factual information. Sadly for the current yx guys the longer it takes to intergrate the worse off they will be. I agree our union is lacking, but once the intergration is done ALPA will be a nonfactor as all current yx guys will eventually be teamsters. I speak for myself only and not the entire rah list, but I am hoping for doh with the yx guys fenced into Mke.

your "factual" last statement I quoted was an opinion.

and I say the same to the so called Midwest pilots on here.

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The Republic pilots have no respect for the plight of the Midwest pilots as evidence of this thread dictates. What they fail to realize is the YX pilots have a CONTRACT. That CONTRACT is still enforced. This replacement flying of Midwest by RAH crews will be taken to court. We will win. Bedford now needs our certificate because we all know that SWA is going to get Frontier. And I have changed my mind. I don't want a fence around MKE. I will be very senior no matter what and I want the ability to displace Republic pilots anywhere I want to. Let them feel what it's like. What goes around comes around.

Not trying to fan a fire, and I'll try my best to word this correctly, but no pilot can simply bid into another base to displace another pilot. Vacancies will be posted and you can then bid for those. If vacancies don't exist at a certain base then a pilot can either base swap or wait for a vacancy to be made. Hopefully once you meet a few here you'll change your mind about people. It's a good group.

Uh, just a hunch, here....but I don't believe Midwest will get stapled above RAH pilots. RAH bought Midwest, not the other way around.

Oh, I have to agree with others on this board, the attitude of the Midwest group on here is disgusting, esp. when the RAH pilot group had NOTHING to do with the purchase of Midwest.

Be careful what you ask for (demand, rather) you might just get bupkis.

He's happy to have a job. Life isn't fair, William Goldman.

Midwest Air Group is owned by Republic, but still has a binding labor contract with the "Midwest pilots".

Any changes will have to be negotiated and voted on by the "Midwest pilot". Bryan Bedford cannot use "the company is in financial trouble" language to win the next grievance on outsourcing flying.

Sounds like a Republic pilot. You guys are the cancer of our profession.

You are being used to undercut and undermine this industry. Aviation is a small world if you haven't figured it out. Any pilot on your seniority list is going to be avoided like the plague. You are undermining any working relationship between the pilot groups.

Good luck.

As a 13 year furloughed Midwest Captain. I hope the meetings this week between the pilot groups are productive.

Did the careers of the Midwest pilot group blow up in their face? YES
Did they have anything to do with that? NO
Did the Republic pilots have anything to do with that? NO



It is what it is. It's time to work together to make Republic Airlines a proud place to work.


Lets do it together.

Thanks whodee its always nice to hear a voice of reason.

Have you been reading this webboard? Republic pilots are not going to work together with the Midwest pilots or the profession.

Republic pilots are looking for a free lunch!

Not involved with either airline, but as an outside observer that's the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black.

He's still right. This situation will most likely go to arbitration and possibly court down the line, not very different from the USair fiasco.

Come to STL we'll have a beer. Or Houston :D

Right about what?

I've seem SUBSTANTIALLY more vitriol coming from MEH pilots toward RAH pilots than the other way around here on APC over the last couple months. As such, it seems to me that RAH pilots are much more willing to "work together" with Midwest pilots than Midwest pilots are to "work together" with RAH pilots if you judge solely by content & attitude of posts on this here interweb board.

Or the looming SWA/F9 situation.

But yes, I too suspect it will go to arbitration and MEH pilots will exhaust every legal option to defend their contract; I would expect nothing less.

That doesn't mean they have to start burning bridges before even talking to their future colleagues...especially when the alternative is quite likely insolvency.

Good old Meyers, the same whiney streaker that he is on JC. Grow up dude. Talking about unions and putting one down? Wow, that's productive. How old are you by the way? And what arbitration do you think there is? Please explain it to me.

And also, please don't act like you know anything about our pilot group or the on-goings of our company.

You forget that this will be the first time that there will be an attempt to integrate a regional pilot group with a major/LCC pilot group, and that changes the dynamic completely. It is unavoidable that this situation is prone to conflict, and since as (you mentioned) you don't work for either one, your opinion is really just that, your opinion. I'm more interested on what the actual players have to say about this situation, the Midwest and RAH pilots.

Most likely for the grievance that ALPA filed friday. Win that and the YX pilots can expect a handsome payout.

Oh you would be an RAH guy.... Probably the same pilot who cracked a beer to cheer the bringing down of Midwest... And the same guy who was compalining that if you were to get F9 they should merge not based on DOH because you would be hosed.... :) But you know it all, like most RAH pilots seem to.

MD80, you sir, like to perpetuate chaos.

As for Whodee, I welcome you and hope to work this thing out to make both pilot groups become one happy family.

Simple question:
Will you be working for $37/hr to fly basically the SAME flights you did while making $144.73/hr?