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MatchPoint 08-07-2009 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 657820)
Oh, I get it. We're "lucky" that SkyWest scooped us up. Ok, bud, keep drinking that SGU Kool Aid. I have more time in this industry than you have inside the marker, and I don't need your "encouragement" to know what's going on. Yeah, it's nice to have a bonus, and SkyWest has cleaned this place up, but we at ASA are sick and tired of seeing SkyWest Airlines get all the glory. We furlough while you expand in our only hub. Our parent company posts impressive profits, yet your share is twice ours. We fight 5 years for a raise, and your management simply matches it.

Let me know when you pull your head out and get the big picture. ASA is a second class citizen in the SKW family. And no, we never asked to be part of it. What you don't seem to understand is that when this pilot group gets ****ed off enough and burns the place down (new contract in 16 months) we'll take you guys down with us.

WOW! You need to get off these boards before you have a heart attack.

BTW, we're two seperate airlines. If you take ASA down SKW will not go with you and if you think otherwise you're even more ignorant (not stupid) than I thought.

Good day.

MatchPoint 08-07-2009 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by BassFishr (Post 657835)
Deal of the century.

Couldn't agree more. ASA is a very good airline and todate Inc has made over $300M in before tax profit off of ASA since purchasing them in Oct 05. When the 15 year contract is up Inc will have tripled their investment in profit alone.

Absolutely the "Deal of the century."

John Pennekamp 08-07-2009 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 657843)
WOW! You need to get off these boards before you have a heart attack.

BTW, we're two seperate airlines. If you take ASA down SKW will not go with you and if you think otherwise you're even more ignorant (not stupid) than I thought.

Good day.

I'm not even slightly worked up.

Also, if you think SKW, Inc. can absorb a $400 million+ loss, then you're more more ignorant (not stupid) than I thought.


Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 657846)
Couldn't agree more. ASA is a very good airline and todate Inc has made over $300M in before tax profit off of ASA since purchasing them in Oct 05. When the 15 year contract is up Inc will have tripled their investment in profit alone.

Absolutely the "Deal of the century."

And now you've agreed with me.

HermannGraf 08-07-2009 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by BassFishr (Post 657793)
Lets not be dramatic 550+ million? Yaaa more like 330 million, I guess thats close if you're in Washington. Thanks for the business lesson on investments.


More like $475 as other here described more in details and that is closer to my $500+ than $330 so I guess I was not being that dramatic.
Dont know where you got the $550+ from

Sorry about the lesson maybe it was a bit much:rolleyes:

HermannGraf 08-07-2009 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 657854)
I'm not even slightly worked up.

Also, if you think SKW, Inc. can absorb a $400 million+ loss, then you're more more ignorant (not stupid) than I thought.



And now you've agreed with me.

With $745 million in the bank according to the call yesterday I guess it would survive but why would it be a $400 million loss?

there must be some value to sell in such scenario and like other people said that I did not count. Skyw Inc got $300 million back already in form of tax credits.

a good question is "what if skywest Inc had not bought ASA how would ASA be doing today?" any other company with the cash needed to turn around ASA and willing to invest in it? Republic maybe........naaa

I am sure that if Skyw inc receive a good offer they will look at it seriously.

We all know how Comair and Mesaba are doing being owned by Delta.

Do you Seriously think ASA would be doing better today not being part of Skywest Inc?

I believe the only reason why it has survived is because Skywest bought them. With low performance numbers and high cost comparing with others Delta (if it would be theirs) would have cut them down worse than they done with Comair.

HermannGraf 08-07-2009 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 657765)
1 year 9 month ASA FO: $145.32 after taxes

Not Much, I agree

There is a slight difference also in size

If we look at the amount of flights, pilots and employees we can see that Skywest airlines is much bigger. The bigger you are and the more flights you do the more difficult it is to keep good performance numbers.

A clear example of a small operator showing incredible performance numbers is Go Jet. So clerarly the size matters when it comes to achivieng good performance numbers.

Also i dont know how but our employees keep performing better and better (not saying that ASA is not) in an unexpected way and Inc had to raise the bar and change the payouts or they would be paying max bonus all the time. That is something to be proud of. We earned our bonus and I dont care if it is the highest or the lowest comparing to others. I did not get close to what others get at Skywest. Do I feel bad about it? hell no, I am happy for them. Well done:)

thrustsetrj200 08-07-2009 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by bored (Post 657385)
There used to be OT performance bonus checks at Mesaba, for everyone but the pilots. They went away in bankruptcy. We as pilots refused the program because of the way it was structured. Further... we beat our goals and generally beat every other DCI carrier without having this performance incentive... WHY would the company implement one now?

As for profit sharing... I was happy to get mine. I can't believe all of you whiners and complainers about FREE MONEY that the company is giving you. We've never had this before at Mesaba, even in our big profit years, so at least it's something. If you don't want it... I'm sure there are many out there that would take it on your behalf.

I don't see many complaining either. I will never argue getting a $15 check in the mail. Just looking at all of the other posts on here saying 2nd year fos are getting $500 checks makes me jealous. That's all. Seems like Pinnacle and Mesaba, so far, are the few that don't get these performance checks.

duvie 08-07-2009 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 657820)
Oh, I get it. We're "lucky" that SkyWest scooped us up. Ok, bud, keep drinking that SGU Kool Aid. I have more time in this industry than you have inside the marker, and I don't need your "encouragement" to know what's going on. Yeah, it's nice to have a bonus, and SkyWest has cleaned this place up, but we at ASA are sick and tired of seeing SkyWest Airlines get all the glory. We furlough while you expand in our only hub. Our parent company posts impressive profits, yet your share is twice ours. We fight 5 years for a raise, and your management simply matches it.

Let me know when you pull your head out and get the big picture. ASA is a second class citizen in the SKW family. And no, we never asked to be part of it. What you don't seem to understand is that when this pilot group gets ****ed off enough and burns the place down (new contract in 16 months) we'll take you guys down with us.

Bottom line JP, if you believe that ASA is being treated unfairly, then everything you see will seem to support that. Most things can be interpreted in any number of ways and generally speaking, as employees of massive companies we usually don't have anywhere near all the information therefore our subjective assessments aren't accurate. I'm truly sorry that ASA employees feel that way. Perhaps the reason you didn't get more DCI flying was because you are already the largest DCI operator by far. To that end, United is always trying to redistribute flying to their other carriers because they feel we (SKW) have more than our fair share, EG XJT picking up the slack this summer even though we could easily have covered it. There aren't a whole lot of RFPs out there, so for right now it seems that you guys are DCI or nothing. I imagine if and when some East Cost flying opens up at other majors you guys will be in line for it and SKW won't.

I think that using the performance payouts as an indicator of who is the "favorite child" is also irrelevant. Under our agreement with management our performance payout for ABC conditions is $XYZ. If you analyze every part of your contract and our agreement there will be numerous differences, some that are more favorable at SKW but many at ASA (higher payscale, no block hour overide and the list goes on). I don't know who would come out on top when its all said and done but even if it wasn't a wash I don't believe that would be your indicator as to who is "liked" best.

SKW Inc is after the money, period. Again, I'm sorry about the furloughs and I hope some opportunities present themselves for your pilot group.

John Pennekamp 08-07-2009 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by duvie (Post 657916)
Bottom line JP, if you believe that ASA is being treated unfairly, then everything you see will seem to support that. Most things can be interpreted in any number of ways and generally speaking, as employees of massive companies we usually don't have anywhere near all the information therefore our subjective assessments aren't accurate. I'm truly sorry that ASA employees feel that way. Perhaps the reason you didn't get more DCI flying was because you are already the largest DCI operator by far. To that end, United is always trying to redistribute flying to their other carriers because they feel we (SKW) have more than our fair share, EG XJT picking up the slack this summer even though we could easily have covered it. There aren't a whole lot of RFPs out there, so for right now it seems that you guys are DCI or nothing. I imagine if and when some East Cost flying opens up at other majors you guys will be in line for it and SKW won't.

I think that using the performance payouts as an indicator of who is the "favorite child" is also irrelevant. Under our agreement with management our performance payout for ABC conditions is $XYZ. If you analyze every part of your contract and our agreement there will be numerous differences, some that are more favorable at SKW but many at ASA (higher payscale, no block hour overide and the list goes on). I don't know who would come out on top when its all said and done but even if it wasn't a wash I don't believe that would be your indicator as to who is "liked" best.

SKW Inc is after the money, period. Again, I'm sorry about the furloughs and I hope some opportunities present themselves for your pilot group.

Reasonable post, but doesn't dispute the fact that SkyWest IS the favored child.

John Pennekamp 08-07-2009 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by HermannGraf (Post 657892)
Also i dont know how but our employees keep performing better and better (not saying that ASA is not) in an unexpected way and Inc had to raise the bar and change the payouts or they would be paying max bonus all the time. That is something to be proud of. We earned our bonus and I dont care if it is the highest or the lowest comparing to others. I did not get close to what others get at Skywest. Do I feel bad about it? hell no, I am happy for them. Well done:)

Try this one on for size... the higher payouts on the SKW side are bribe money to keep the unions out. Ya think?


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