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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 657820)

Oh, I get it. We're "lucky" that SkyWest scooped us up. Ok, bud, keep drinking that SGU Kool Aid. I have more time in this industry than you have inside the marker, and I don't need your "encouragement" to know what's going on. Yeah, it's nice to have a bonus, and SkyWest has cleaned this place up, but we at ASA are sick and tired of seeing SkyWest Airlines get all the glory. We furlough while you expand in our only hub. Our parent company posts impressive profits, yet your share is twice ours. We fight 5 years for a raise, and your management simply matches it.

Let me know when you pull your head out and get the big picture. ASA is a second class citizen in the SKW family. And no, we never asked to be part of it. What you don't seem to understand is that when this pilot group gets ****ed off enough and burns the place down (new contract in 16 months) we'll take you guys down with us.

Expand?:confused:

Lets keep it real. We got the lines reduces by 50% from the top in ATL. For Agust the FO lines in ATL for Skyw are down to 11 (22 is the most lines we had in ATL).

Profit Share?
If our share is twice it is because our earn was twice your for the company. I am sure we only get bonus for our part of the profit.

Matches the raise?
They stil pay you guys a bit more.
So you expect our parent company to go out buy another company with the money we made for them and then pay the "new guys" more than they pay us?

Sure they had to match it as much as possible.

Burn down the place?
Well then you probably would end at the same spot....... as if Skywest Inc never bought ASA.

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Reasonable post, but doesn't dispute the fact that SkyWest IS the favored child.

I won't dispute that either, but I don't think it's unexpected because Skywest bought ASA. I don't see or talk to enough of you guys or understand the position you were in before the purchase enough to really know how it has worked out, but it doesn't surprise me that Skywest Inc favors Skywest Airlines over ASA at all. It's not fair, not necessarily right, but unsurprising.

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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 657931)

Try this one on for size... the higher payouts on the SKW side are bribe money to keep the unions out. Ya think?

*Everything* Skywest management does has implications for union votes. They've got to keep the pilot group convinced that they're a different kind of company that doesn't need representation. So far, they've done an excellent job of giving us as little as possible while still keeping ALPA out. I won't complain much as I'm a lot happier here than I was at my previous carrier, but I'll still vote ALPA if it comes up again.

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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 657931)

Try this one on for size... the higher payouts on the SKW side are bribe money to keep the unions out. Ya think?

you may be right on that one but then why raize the bar and cut our possibility for a high bonus almost in half?

The only reason why we made high bonuses is that every time the company makes it more difficult for us to achive higher bonus we prove them we can do it.

Wait until they tell you guys something like "Eh everyone out there is performing so well at other companies so we have to raise the bar for you guys and cut your bonus in half if you perform the same the next quarter":rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 657930)

Reasonable post, but doesn't dispute the fact that SkyWest IS the favored child.

SKW is the Original Child, favored? Don't exactly know but there's far more history here and I'm sure that plays in many ways. One being business structure, our model is setup well and easily supports our at-risk push which in this economy Mainline loves the idea of sharing risk. I give major props to Mgmnt for their creativity but I can't speculate on why one does more than the other. As pilots we don't and can't see all the facts and figures.

Lets see as far as I have seen $0 and an ankle grabbing session at Compost.

Perhaps that is just another reason why the crews here are sick and tired of carrying this sh!tty place. Min days off, schedules are getting worse and every month we lose more and more flying that we are supposed to do. That is our managements plan to get reserve numbers up vs hiring more people. No wonder why Indy lasted such a short time, it was the same idiots there that are here!

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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 657931)

Try this one on for size... the higher payouts on the SKW side are bribe money to keep the unions out. Ya think?

I agree with HermannGraf and Hayduke.

I wouldn't call it bribe money but I do call it the price of doing business for 37+ years as a non-union. Remember I'm pro-labor but that doesn't mean I don't respect what Jerry and friends have created.

SKW pilots drink a lot of Kool-Aid and one day that might bite them but as for now, bottoms up my friends. None the less my pilot group voted down ALPA so I'm along for the SAPA ride and I'll support them as much as I can.

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Originally Posted by HermannGraf (Post 657729)

:eek: Like when ASA had to cancel 200+ flights and SKYW INC had to send every available 200 they had at Skyw airlines to save as much as possible?? It just took the result down by 14 to 20 mill for that quarter......but hell that does not count does it.........

Another way to see it could be like......"Skywest Inc had tons of cash even before buying ASA and all the 500+ million that INC paid for ASA (cash) was produced by Skywest Airlines" :rolleyes:

When a company makes a capital investment it wants a return on the capital (hopefully to make all the money back in a few years).............
Believe me when I say that the return on the 500+ mill has not been much yet..........
and you dont want to know how much more than the purchasing 500 mill INC has had to invest in ASA to get it running somewhat properly again.........

What I dont understand is why are ASA and SKW considered separate as far as recovery operations. Of course SKW will help ASA recover just as Im positive ASA would do the same for SKW if it needed it. And Im positive that niether ASA nor SKW would do that for Mesa. So, why keep the companies seperate?

By the way, what about investing in the human capital that is SKW pilots instead of just buying or attempting to buy airlines? Just as SWA has made capital investments in their employees and seen its return on that investment, Im positive SKW pilots would do so as well.

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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 657308)

And once again, the redheaded, redneck stepchildren at ASA got the shaft...

Hey, what with the redneck thing?!! I'm from NYC!!! :cool: