Flew into Mke today
 

Flew into milwaukee today.....we followed one of those Republic planes in. It was a 170 and the moron in tower gave us a wake turbulence advisory. We were in a crj!

I feel sick flying in there. It's carnage! Like watching someone get raped right in front of you. If I come across a REAL Midwest pilot...drinks on me. Republic guys......forget it.

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Did I really just read a Skywest FO bagging on RAH pilots?

I'm willing to bet that the guys flying 737s feel the same about you. Flying a CRJ, you're every bit as guilty, as you're doing flying that no doubt belonged to a mainline guy at one time or another. Sad, but very true.

Indeed you did. I suspect some guys just haven't been around in the industry long enough to fully understand how things work. Could you imagine having to sit next to this newbie for a 4-day trip? OY!

Probably a Skyway guy or 2 that still isn't all that happy with you taking their flying in MKE. Looks like it has come full circle. How does it feel? Welcome to the industry.

who cares...

I disagree.

Most of us have flown a RJ (or saab/1900) and understand you have to build your experience someplace. The difference is some Republic pilots are bragging about gaining flying from another union pilot group... "it's our flying now". Republic pilots are licking their lips hope they purchase Frontier so they can flying a A320 and make real airline pilot wages.

If you want real airline wages improve your contract or interview with a real airline.

I understand the first persons posting. Republic is different type of pilot group. They are undermining our profession, but cannot see that they are only hurting themself long term.

Yawn........


The funny thing is, you were probably following him in a CRJ900.

I have yet to hear a RAH guy bragging about anything. I most certainly have not seen any RAH "licking thier lips" either.

For a guy claiming to fly an MD80, you're making strange bedfellows defending a guy with a picture of a modified CRJ900/B727 as his profile pic.

Maybe Aviator is upset that all the other RAH/Midwest threads got locked out so he is starting another one.

Yathink?

You claim to understand the industry but you make statements like that one. Yes the flying was MEH's but it was not ripped from Skyway by a subcontractor, it was done by their Mgmnt team.

BTW, let me ask you, how many SKW pilots have come on here and made a statement like……..”RAH stole our MEH flying?” ……………………..ZERO! Not a single SKW pilot on here or off has made a statement even close to that one, they only comment on how sick it makes them feel when they think of or see what has/is happening to MEH.

No matter how you cut it the RAH:MEH debacle is sickening. Much like what the US Easties have done to the US Westies or what Mesa did to Aloha or what Eastern did to BI.................etc. This industry can be very cruel, after all, it's just business and like it or not we pilots are mere pawns.

Good Day.

Meaning what? If you think that means you don't have to worry about wake you're dead wrong. It's not just about size of aircraft. Lighten up dude.

Hahaha! Greatest... post... ever...!

I'm not even sure who you are talking about Skyway or Skywest, two COMPLETELY different companies. Skywest came in to fly Midex and Skyway routes. RAH came in and took over the Skywest/Midex flying by purchasing the Midwest Air Group.

If you are talking about Skyway, why would we care at all about RAH since we were shut down long before RAH came along. At least from what they allow the public to know. Second, why should we care that Skywest came in, yes they took our routes but that's not their fault. It was Midwest management.

Regional flying was unfortunately given away by the mainline pilots years ago. I personally don't like flying an rj for another company. I don't like seeing mainline 737 pilots on the street. I don't like seeing a crj900 in delta colors not being flown by delta pilots. But that's the cards that are on the table and until a mainline Mec grows some balls and gets a hold of thier scope then that is not going to change.
What sickens me about republic is that they are a direct replacement for Midwest pilots at a cheap rate. And like Md80 said there are Replacement Airways pilots going around bragging about their new lax overnight and all this great new flying they are doing. That's the sickening thing. They are nothing but a big middle finger to Midwest guys. They need so get thier collective heads out of the sand and realize what they are actually doing.

And toiletduck, wake turbulence cautions are for 767's and 757's and heavy aircraft as such, not a stinkin e170. Invitation to come back to earth.

Come on man, you know that is simply flame bait. and I throw up the flag on you. I sat for 4 hours a couple of weeks ago in MKE waiting for a flight back from Airventure, I sat for lunch outside concourse 'D' at the Burger King and had lunch with some Skywest and RAH pilots, Never saw a one of them even talk about the whole MDW/RAH debacle...it was business as usual....I wish people would stop making stuff up on APC:rolleyes:

Show me one. Use the search function at the top.

I've hit the wake of a 737 8 miles ahead of me and it put the ERJ on it's side. He's not a heavy. You don't think a 170 could hit you rough on an approach to landing? They can and they do. Don't underestimate the power of a wake when low and slow, you've got pax back there.

From the Air Traffic Control manual, FAA Order JO 7110.65S:

2-1-20 WAKE TURBULENCE CAUTIONARY ADVISORIES
[...]
b. Issue cautionary information to any aircraft if in
your opinion, wake turbulence may have an adverse
effect on it.

(empahsis added)
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Little did the controller know that the most adverse effect would be on the ego of the pilot in the subject aircraft. :rolleyes:

Seriously? And you hope to be the captain of an aircraft with people in the back someday?

Show us the seniority numbers of these ashamed pilots that are forced to replace mainline Midwest. If it's anything higher than the bottom 10% on either seat, that's a pretty big middle finger I'd say. Not that it matters anyways but since you are coming on here defending against the obvious.

I agree that a 737 is not a "heavy" but will give you a ride. As will an md80. But a 170 10 miles in front of me with a departure of an erj on the same runway in between shouldn't be cause to worry.

And Apc is not where you hear Rah pilots boasting about flying the Midwest flights, that's done while jumpseating to ind and California. I've had a it a couple times already.

FWIW, the huge blended winglets on the EMB 170/190 series airplanes massively reduce wake vortices. Same on the 737 with winglets.

Not saying one shouldn't be cautious, I have a lot of respect for wakes myself, but the 170 is not really a hazard to safe flight with those big, efficient winglets.

Just because you work for Gojet doesn’t mean you have to constantly talk crap about every other carrier. I’ve seen nothing of value come out of your posts. Your attempt at trying to put out a misconception that every carrier is as bad as yours is failing… just stop while you’re at it.

You must be the ashamed pilot, or worn out from working for such an outfit since you have so much to say about everyone else.. Redirect those feelings of hostility elsewhere.. buy yourself a stress ball, maybe that will help or just go get laid if you can afford it. How awesome it is to be anonymous, right?

As for RAH pilots, I am not happy with what is happening but neither are they. A majority of us understand this. If you weren’t so ashamed of yourself maybe you would have the opportunity to talk with some of those pilots (in person rather than behind a keyboard) and realize what the RAH pilot group thinks of this as a whole.

Its much easier for a few posters here to be keyboard commandos with their false logic & assumptions than it would be to actually initiate a face-to-face conversation with RAH crewmembers...

The other day I was landing in ___ I was following a 170 in inclement weather they got the plane down SAFELY thats what counts....I was giving instruction in a CESSNA 172 because I'm furloughed.

RAH pilots are doing there job its mgmt you should be bad mouthing not the pilots

Who cares what seat he is in Mr. Sky God? Just because somebody is an FO does not mean his opinion is any less valid than yours. Kind of sounds like the lineholder mentality......im better because I hold a line and I am entitled to more than you... Give me a break. He has a point and you know what, I think he is right. That 170 ahead of him has DESTROYED this industry and our future.

An airplane doesn't have the power to do all that destroyin'...only pilots do.

I have. They are out there.

Id say its an all inclusive deal, pilots, management, etc that comes with the plane, that's what I was referring to.

I disagree.

You wouldn't have to worry about E-Jets at Republic (and CR7s and CR9s at a half-dozen other carriers) hulk-smashing your career expectations if pilots (mainline AND regional alike) could see further than six inches in front of their freaking face...

EGoJet dude...stay out please.

Yes, they are out there. Just like your carrier has it's group of morons, so does everybody else's. That doesn't make the rank and file pilot group that way.

From another thread with some editing:

All RAH pilots are mean and think they're better than everyone..

My airline is better than your airline.

I make more than you.

My roommate makes less than me.

My pax are more comfortable than yours.

My airplane is better than yours.

You fly more mainline looking routes than me.

Equals => I’m just jealous and scared for my job.

Way to go off topic drama queens… keep it up because that’s exactly what management wants. What are you, 12?

This new airline legislation should contain a new ATP requirement... maturity.

Move on...please...and stop the drama....

And before the 170 it was the cr7&9, before that it was your 145 and cr200 (Regionals flying jets? How dare they!) Before the RJs it was dash 8s and ATRs (regionals flying turboprops carying 50+ pax? How dare they!) Before that it was 1900s and JBalls (Regionals flying turbines? How dare they!) There's always something destroying the industry. As Boiler said, it's not the airplanes fault. It goes back to the pilots who DIDN'T want them who started this debacle.

if only those pilots back then would have thought like that then instead of arguing which regional is lowering the bar we could be all flying for delta american united usair and continental making $100K a year and living the dream that this was originally supposed to be........

I haven't experienced it personally but I know of a couple instances where an ERJ has been caught in the wake of a 170, parallel runway, and had to go missed. They were very amazed at how disruptive it was. One of them frequents these boards.

If you had the option to live in base you wouldn't take it. No one wanted the aircraft here but once they are you'd be an idiot to not bid to live in base.

PS You work for GoJets. There's not larger example of a hypocrite.

The controller was reffering to the wake of shear awsomeness that the E170/190 trails behind itself. There you are, a little more fuel for your juvenile, timewasting, embarrasing, and self disclosing **** excuse for a discussion.

Oh man.. I have to say, I got a pretty good laugh from that. :D