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Originally Posted by dondk
(Post 669351)
Well, on one hand you will never be the bottom of the pack in pay. On the other hand it is unlikely you will ever be the leader in pay. The standard being set is a mid range pay comparative to your peers.
if "everybody" has a contract specifying "industry average" it does not take a rocket scientist to see that if ANY pilot group takes a pay cut, then the industry average just dropped, which means the next contract up for negotiation is by default going to also take a small hit... the process will continue in a downward spiral until nobody will take the job for those wages. We were almost at that point two years ago when they resorted to hiring people with the ink still wet on their tickets. The very notion of them trying to sell a pilot group on ANYTHING "industry average" is insulting to anybody capable of using basic logic to follow the resulting trend to it's inevitable conclusion. The idea of a UNION trying to tell their pilots that "industry average" is a good thing is a joke. |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 669360)
It's a scam being pulled on regional airline employees...
if "everybody" has a contract specifying "industry average" it does not take a rocket scientist to see that if ANY pilot group takes a pay cut, then the industry average just dropped, which means the next contract up for negotiation is by default going to also take a small hit... the process will continue in a downward spiral until nobody will take the job for those wages. We were almost at that point two years ago when they resorted to hiring people with the ink still wet on their tickets. The very notion of them trying to sell a pilot group on ANYTHING "industry average" is insulting to anybody capable of using basic logic to follow the resulting trend to it's inevitable conclusion. The idea of a UNION trying to tell their pilots that "industry average" is a good thing is a joke. if everyone took concessionary pay cuts, the only protection is the DOS increase at 1%, or .30 to about 1 buck a year (for the super senior). I believe wally world greeters get more than that every year as an increase. |
Well so much for the hope and faith i had in our union. I know when i was there i was paying my dues and trying to support them. I guess it was all a waste. Plus the time on the picket line and the family events. I had high hopes for the pilots of pinnacle when i left now if this is what they thing is a good contract i very disapointed
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I think the MEC did the right thing by letting the pilots vote on this TA, even though it is not good.
What would make you vote yes? For me, same 401k match as the rest of the company (basically is 100% of 5%/ 100% vested right away)11 days off for reserves, 2 year contract duration, and COLA after the amendable date. 401k and 11 days off for reserves are a HUGE deal for me. I'm voting NO. VOTE NOT ONLY NO, BUT HELL NO! |
Originally Posted by B00sted
(Post 669524)
I think the MEC did the right thing by letting the pilots vote on this TA, even though it is not good.
VOTE NOT ONLY NO, BUT HELL NO! I am just wondering who is going to try to come out claiming to save everyone from the less than stellar, 5 year long project that nets very little. |
I bid for CDO's and based on what i've seen. It will be worse than what our work rules for CDO's that we have now. They took away the 5 hr. "break" on the ground, but they still can schedule up to 4 CDO's in a row? no extra pay for picking up CDO's like 5+ hrs credit (based on the rumors) my vote will be NO now!
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Originally Posted by B00sted
(Post 669524)
I think the MEC did the right thing by letting the pilots vote on this TA, even though it is not good.
If the MEC had voted no, they would already be planning what to do next. By allowing us to see a ****** TA, they only accomplished adding a month and half to the process. Now when we vote it down at the end of September, we will finally be able to begin what could have started over a week ago. Yeah for us, we got to read it. We now also get to live without a contract for even longer. Way to go MEC. |
Originally Posted by SrfNFly227
(Post 669562)
Why? What benefit has come by us seeing the contract?
If the MEC had voted no, they would already be planning what to do next. By allowing us to see a ****** TA, they only accomplished adding a month and half to the process. Now when we vote it down at the end of September, we will finally be able to begin what could have started over a week ago. Yeah for us, we got to read it. We now also get to live without a contract for even longer. Way to go MEC. |
Originally Posted by cencal83406
(Post 669566)
Actually, if the MEC had voted it down - the NMB would have not looked very kindly upon us. If we say "NO!!!" then we have more ammo for shuttin this puppy down!
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What a joke. Whoever negotiated and agreed on this one had to be drunk. 10 Yr CA making Eighty grand and ten days off?? LOL You can install Cable Television and do better than that.
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