Pinnacles MEC passes the TA
 

Pilots get to decide. Let the fun begin

i would love to know which MEC person voted yes and no.

If you really dont know, pm me ... you should be able to figure out who consisted of the "Majority" of the yes voting ... just remember who can vote and who cant...

According to people on the MEC...yes votes were MEM CA, MEM FO, MSP CA, ATL CA, and ATL FO reps

No votes were DTW CA, DTW FO, and MSP FO

Pilots now get to decide

Good luck and make the right choice, gentlemen.

remember guys...don't read the new TA. Only vote no becasue that is what you are supposed to do no matter how good. Or only vote yes because you are sick of no raise at all for 5 years. But whatever you do, don't use your own brain and make an informed decision based on facts.....base your vote on rumor and the cool thing to do at the time.

Everyone needs to read the TA, and read it carefully. I am trying to keep things "in house" and just on the company board so this thread may not get much. The TA should be out soon for everyone to read, unfortunately road shows are going to turn into town hall meetings.

ATL reps both voted YES.
MSP CA rep voted YES.
MEM reps voted YES.
DTW reps voted NO.
MSP FO rep voted NO.

I have a feeling it will pass the pilot group. By a very slim margin though.

Like by 18 votes?

nope. to quote a wise captain from our boards "this TA will pass with high numbers, and after the vote you wont be able to find one person who voted yes"

It needs roughly 650 votes to pass...
I figure at least 350 fo's will vote yes just for some more jack
Throw in at least 100-150 of the most senior guys voting yes to get significant pay increases
that leaves about 400 more pilots to vote, while only needing 150 of them to vote yes...close, but it seems like we will once again have a less than average contract that splits our meager bonus payment into. yeah...

WOW!

If the TA couldn't pass the MEC unanimously, that really should say something about it. I hope you all read carefully and study your peers' contracts (on airlinepilotcentral.com) before you vote.

You all now have the choice of accepting a substandard TA in hope you'll steal more flying, or shooting it down and demanding what your worth. Good luck.

unfortunately, many people here think it will take years to get to this point again if we vote it down...that's why I put up the other thread about Comair voting theirs down...anyone know how long after that it took them to be released?

Yep. Too many are concerned with having a few extra dollars NOW because, "I won't be here in 5 years". Glad to see they can predict the future.

Hopefully we can educate some people during the road shows.

The trend will continue. Simply the best but le$$ than average

At NetJets, within 90 days of voting down their first TA, they...

... had a new MEC, and a new TA.

Don't let the let them try to scare you.

It's usually that way. management wants it to pass for obvious reasons, and the union wants it to pass because ALPA threatened to pull the plug on their negotiations after 5+ years (happened to us too). So everyone used fear tactics to get it to pass.

I predict it passes by 60% or more but you'll never find anyone who admits they voted for it.

hey I said that once thanks for the compliment :D

LMAO Oh man that is too funny.... Be careful some people might actually take your suggestion.

Uh, we're going to what?

so true. I'm thinking about getting lanyards made with "I voted YES" or "....NO" be a man and stand by your decision.

nice to see that the DTW Reps have balls

So what are the highlights of the TA.... pay wise and work rule wise.

We don't have access to it yet.


At least the MEC is going to let the pilots vote it down. I think that will show management more than if the MEC had voted it down.

I know plenty of FOs who have the mentality "why bother" once they found out the 2nd year pay would only be a notch above Mesa, and way below ASA & Comair & Skywest's current rates (which are old rates)...if it had been ASA + $1 as advertised, you might have seen your 350+ FOs vote yes...but that math will skew when most guys realize the tax bracket increase will kill their paltry $7 raise...also don't forget there are plenty of career changers and FedEx kiddies here who had the money to pay for Jet U & ATP--and for some of those folks money isn't, wasn't, and won't ever be a big influencing factor in their life decisions...

Nick- not sure where you get the fedex kiddie mindset of jetU and ATP. Purple has 500-700 fat anyway so even if you are a fedex "kiddie" there is no yellow path to walk over with a "magic 1000".

Yeah I agree with Higney...I cant think of ANY "zero to hero" kid that was also born to purple parents, and I think I've flown with all of them. 1 or 2 did the jet transition course but that was after already having like 600-700 TT instructing....however you are right money wont be a factor for them since most will be at the majors as soon as they hit that 1000 tpic mark in 2 years :rolleyes::D

or even the "magic 4500" ;)

What are the improvements and major changes of the new tentative agreement?

Guys I heard a big raise for 18 year CAs, next to NOTHING for 2 year FOs & still ONLY 10 days off a month min. That's PATHETIC!

hahahahahahaah you said improvements... that's a good one!

Who Gets What?
 

Can anyone tell me why the bonus is going to be tied strictly to an individual's W-2? We have captain's here making eighty plus an hour with 5 years since the contract was amendable. Add to that 100 hour buy outs for captain's doing sim training and don't forget those doing check airman or OE at one hundred and fifty percent. This while some FO's are making eighteen to twenty four with less than two years against senior captain's almost five. Looks like the senior guys will be able to buy a new car with their bonus while the first and second year FO's probably won't get enough to put a set of retreads on their old jalopy!

All correct.

Shouldn't you be more concerned with the fact that the MEC just passed a concessionary TA?

they will vote yes...not sure why, but they will.

Are there a lot of 18 year captains at 9E? I thought one of the reasons you guys were cheaper than everyone else is because your seniority list is relatively young.

Well this Jet U kid who was also a CFI before the bridge will be voting no to a 7 dollar second year pay raise. Below industry standard in just about everything I've heard. The whole thing sounds concessionary to me....No thanks. I gots bills to pay. I'll give it a fair look but if it's anything like what I've heard it's a definite no vote from me. All FOs need to look past the stupid pay raise and think about upgrading and how we'll be stuck with crappy Reserve life and so forth. Not worth signing a contract that we'll be stuck
with for possibly 10 years by the time they TA the next one. Send it back and let's get it done right!

Signing bonus has not been agreed to but it will not be w-2 based as earlier thought. That being said I don't have a formula, just the trust "E-plan" as I call it.

waiting
 

Hey, does anybody know what the hold up is for releasing the TA for view? We are in the electronic age. Aren't we?

11 min for line holders, 10 for reserves.
no more extensions or junior assignment into day off
1 ja refusal a month.

but subpar pay, only 75% DH and Cancellations
no duty or trip rigs

10 mil to be split among 1300 of us and it's going to be payed out in halves? I want a FAIR contract, not a subpar

Gotta agree with JP on this. A TA not passing the MEC unanimously is a very rare event. On the other hand, what it really shows is that the MEC was so apathetic that they weren't keeping an eye on what the negotiating committee was doing. If I was still a DTW PCL pilot, I would be looking for answers as to why these guys didn't fix the situation before it was too late.

Unfortunately, that may be true. It would have almost certainly been true if the MEC had actually voted it down rather than sending it for a pilot group vote. The NMB doesn't take kindly to unions that don't police their own negotiators, and they likely would have parked you for 6 months if the TA had been rejected by the MEC. There's less chance of that happening now if the pilot group votes it down, but your MEC will have lost a lot of credibility with the NMB, and you may be in better shape replacing them if they don't get you a quick turnaround on a new TA within a couple of months of rejecting this one.

Not true. ALPA did make it clear to them that the NMB was not going to be pleased if they hung up negotiations on the dual qual issue (the only remaining issue for the past couple of months), but they never threatened to "pull the plug" on negotiations.

Again, you should ask them why they allowed this NC to bring them a substandard TA. It's their job to provide oversight and guidance to the NC. If they didn't , then they are the ones responsible for the bad TA.

It may not be very good, but it's far from concessionary.