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CHQ shift from STL to ORD
Anyone at CHQ have info on what is happening with the a/c that were being used for the AX STL flying? I know a few a/c will be moved to ORD for the ATL, DTW, IAH, IND routes but what about the rest? Is there a clause in the contract between AX and AA where they can give the E145s to AA or have AA make payments on the unused a/c?
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 680086)
h the a/c that were being used for the AX STL flying?
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Originally Posted by AirWillie
(Post 680094)
They're in Mexico.
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Originally Posted by grossole
(Post 680098)
Most of the planes doing AA connection were returned to Eagle. Only a couple of those went to mexico.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 680102)
I believe those were the Trans States Airplanes. CHQ does not have to return any of their American Connection aircraft to anyone.
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 680117)
Correct, I didnt know if the CHQ contract with AA said AMR would be financially responsible for lease payments on those unused a/c since they were supposed to be flying them out of STL, or some sort of penalty payment for reducing the contract.
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 680166)
AMR and RAH renegotiated rates back in March I think which led to reduced flying and a couple aircraft going to spares. However I don't know if there were any provisions about them having to remain in STL. I think AMR just agreed to X amount of block hours which could possibly still be maintained out of ORD. All of the news is still new so it might be a while before we learn more about what routes will be flown.
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Yes. Competitive pricing is what makes the American economic system so great.
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As far as I know, the CHQ are still supposed to be based out of STL, even after the renegotiated rates. Moving the CHQ American Connection flying to ORD was an American Airlines decision, and they will have to deal with the consequences of violating their agreement with Eagle. I am actually surprised that American did not just try to buy CHQ out of the rest of the contract. Bedford has been willing to reduce his 50 seat fleet in cooperation with the mainline partners (UA, DAL, US Airways over the past 2 years).
In all likelihood, the CHQ contract will expire before the Eagle grievance is ever settled, and in the meantime two more pilot groups will be at odds with each other due to managements disregard for legally binding agreements. And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA. |
Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast
(Post 680676)
As far as I know, the CHQ are still supposed to be based out of STL, even after the renegotiated rates. Moving the CHQ American Connection flying to ORD was an American Airlines decision, and they will have to deal with the consequences of violating their agreement with Eagle. I am actually surprised that American did not just try to buy CHQ out of the rest of the contract. Bedford has been willing to reduce his 50 seat fleet in cooperation with the mainline partners (UA, DAL, US Airways over the past 2 years).
In all likelihood, the CHQ contract will expire before the Eagle grievance is ever settled, and in the meantime two more pilot groups will be at odds with each other due to managements disregard for legally binding agreements. And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA. |
Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast
(Post 680676)
And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA.
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Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast
(Post 680676)
As far as I know, the CHQ are still supposed to be based out of STL, even after the renegotiated rates. Moving the CHQ American Connection flying to ORD was an American Airlines decision, and they will have to deal with the consequences of violating their agreement with Eagle. I am actually surprised that American did not just try to buy CHQ out of the rest of the contract. Bedford has been willing to reduce his 50 seat fleet in cooperation with the mainline partners (UA, DAL, US Airways over the past 2 years).
In all likelihood, the CHQ contract will expire before the Eagle grievance is ever settled, and in the meantime two more pilot groups will be at odds with each other due to managements disregard for legally binding agreements. And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA. not so fast there - you're paying it a little fast and loose with the facts. AA negotiated the present and earlier agreement directly with RAH after the acqisition. That was the basis for the grievance which restricted Connection carriers to fly ONLY what was in existence during the TWA days. Sorry, even AA is subject to the laws of the land even if detrimental to your pilot group. |
Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast
(Post 680676)
And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA.
Frontier, this is your future. |
wow bearz your really use full to this conversation
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
(Post 681017)
wow bearz your really use full to this conversation
While the entire demise of Midwest is lamentable, blaming it on the RAH pilots is misdirected fire. The problem, in order of "blame" is: 1. Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 2. Modern corporate ethics and business practices 3. Midwest management 4. RAH management Only a pilot who expects another pilot to quit in his place would blame that pilot for doing as directed. I don't see Bearz crying about all those United, NWA and other major airline jobs "lost" when the legacies pulled out of markets MW was successfully able to exploit after Deregulation nor should he. It isn't his fault as a Midwest pilot what airline investors and managers legally do in the name of competitive business practices. |
Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
(Post 681003)
No, they just used the subsidy from their mainline "partners" to undercut and steal the midwest flying and now fly 100 seat airplanes at a rate up to 70% less than their mainline "brethren" they refuse to integrate in a timely manner.
Frontier, this is your future. |
Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
(Post 681003)
No, they just used the subsidy from their mainline "partners" to undercut and steal the midwest flying and now fly 100 seat airplanes at a rate up to 70% less than their mainline "brethren" they refuse to integrate in a timely manner.
Frontier, this is your future. |
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 681084)
I think they want to integrate Frontier rather quickly as soon as the deal is finalized.
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