Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Regional
CHQ shift from STL to ORD >

CHQ shift from STL to ORD

Search

Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

CHQ shift from STL to ORD

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-17-2009 | 10:06 AM
  #1  
Flyby1206's Avatar
Thread Starter
SDQ Base Chief
20 Years
On Reserve
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,079
Likes: 41
From: 320 CA
Default CHQ shift from STL to ORD

Anyone at CHQ have info on what is happening with the a/c that were being used for the AX STL flying? I know a few a/c will be moved to ORD for the ATL, DTW, IAH, IND routes but what about the rest? Is there a clause in the contract between AX and AA where they can give the E145s to AA or have AA make payments on the unused a/c?
Reply
Old 09-17-2009 | 10:16 AM
  #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,111
Likes: 0
From: MD80
Default

Originally Posted by Flyby1206
h the a/c that were being used for the AX STL flying?
They're in Mexico.
Reply
Old 09-17-2009 | 10:24 AM
  #3  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: Temporarily-Undowngraded-CA
Default

Originally Posted by AirWillie
They're in Mexico.
Most of the planes doing AA connection were returned to Eagle. Only a couple of those went to mexico.
Reply
Old 09-17-2009 | 10:27 AM
  #4  
Moderator
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,088
Likes: 0
From: B757/767
Default

Originally Posted by grossole
Most of the planes doing AA connection were returned to Eagle. Only a couple of those went to mexico.
I believe those were the Trans States Airplanes. CHQ does not have to return any of their American Connection aircraft to anyone.
Reply
Old 09-17-2009 | 10:39 AM
  #5  
Flyby1206's Avatar
Thread Starter
SDQ Base Chief
20 Years
On Reserve
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,079
Likes: 41
From: 320 CA
Default

Originally Posted by johnso29
I believe those were the Trans States Airplanes. CHQ does not have to return any of their American Connection aircraft to anyone.
Correct, I didnt know if the CHQ contract with AA said AMR would be financially responsible for lease payments on those unused a/c since they were supposed to be flying them out of STL, or some sort of penalty payment for reducing the contract.
Reply
Old 09-17-2009 | 12:11 PM
  #6  
ToiletDuck's Avatar
Che Guevara
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Correct, I didnt know if the CHQ contract with AA said AMR would be financially responsible for lease payments on those unused a/c since they were supposed to be flying them out of STL, or some sort of penalty payment for reducing the contract.
AMR and RAH renegotiated rates back in March I think which led to reduced flying and a couple aircraft going to spares. However I don't know if there were any provisions about them having to remain in STL. I think AMR just agreed to X amount of block hours which could possibly still be maintained out of ORD. All of the news is still new so it might be a while before we learn more about what routes will be flown.
Reply
Old 09-17-2009 | 12:20 PM
  #7  
Flyby1206's Avatar
Thread Starter
SDQ Base Chief
20 Years
On Reserve
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,079
Likes: 41
From: 320 CA
Default

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
AMR and RAH renegotiated rates back in March I think which led to reduced flying and a couple aircraft going to spares. However I don't know if there were any provisions about them having to remain in STL. I think AMR just agreed to X amount of block hours which could possibly still be maintained out of ORD. All of the news is still new so it might be a while before we learn more about what routes will be flown.
Ahhh, gotcha, does that amended contract expire in 2013?
Reply
Old 09-17-2009 | 01:02 PM
  #8  
Jake Wheeler's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
From: RJ driver
Default

Yes. Competitive pricing is what makes the American economic system so great.
Reply
Old 09-18-2009 | 05:02 PM
  #9  
Rightseat Ballast's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 334
Likes: 0
From: E170/175 CA
Default

As far as I know, the CHQ are still supposed to be based out of STL, even after the renegotiated rates. Moving the CHQ American Connection flying to ORD was an American Airlines decision, and they will have to deal with the consequences of violating their agreement with Eagle. I am actually surprised that American did not just try to buy CHQ out of the rest of the contract. Bedford has been willing to reduce his 50 seat fleet in cooperation with the mainline partners (UA, DAL, US Airways over the past 2 years).

In all likelihood, the CHQ contract will expire before the Eagle grievance is ever settled, and in the meantime two more pilot groups will be at odds with each other due to managements disregard for legally binding agreements.

And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA.
Reply
Old 09-18-2009 | 06:15 PM
  #10  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
From: E145 Gear Swinger
Default

Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast
As far as I know, the CHQ are still supposed to be based out of STL, even after the renegotiated rates. Moving the CHQ American Connection flying to ORD was an American Airlines decision, and they will have to deal with the consequences of violating their agreement with Eagle. I am actually surprised that American did not just try to buy CHQ out of the rest of the contract. Bedford has been willing to reduce his 50 seat fleet in cooperation with the mainline partners (UA, DAL, US Airways over the past 2 years).

In all likelihood, the CHQ contract will expire before the Eagle grievance is ever settled, and in the meantime two more pilot groups will be at odds with each other due to managements disregard for legally binding agreements.

And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA.
Don't worry, someone will be here with an opposing viewpoint, even though you simply stated facts.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Sky Angel
Hangar Talk
10
07-17-2010 02:53 AM
DYNASTY HVY
Foreign
5
08-31-2008 04:26 AM
ERJ135
Regional
119
08-24-2008 12:20 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices