CHQ shift from STL to ORD
09-19-2009 | 05:23 AM
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And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA.
09-19-2009 | 11:25 AM
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As far as I know, the CHQ are still supposed to be based out of STL, even after the renegotiated rates. Moving the CHQ American Connection flying to ORD was an American Airlines decision, and they will have to deal with the consequences of violating their agreement with Eagle. I am actually surprised that American did not just try to buy CHQ out of the rest of the contract. Bedford has been willing to reduce his 50 seat fleet in cooperation with the mainline partners (UA, DAL, US Airways over the past 2 years).
In all likelihood, the CHQ contract will expire before the Eagle grievance is ever settled, and in the meantime two more pilot groups will be at odds with each other due to managements disregard for legally binding agreements.
And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA.
In all likelihood, the CHQ contract will expire before the Eagle grievance is ever settled, and in the meantime two more pilot groups will be at odds with each other due to managements disregard for legally binding agreements.
And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA.
not so fast there - you're paying it a little fast and loose with the facts. AA negotiated the present and earlier agreement directly with RAH after the acqisition. That was the basis for the grievance which restricted Connection carriers to fly ONLY what was in existence during the TWA days. Sorry, even AA is subject to the laws of the land even if detrimental to your pilot group.
09-19-2009 | 01:10 PM
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And before someone starts ragging on CHQ for undercutting Eagle, please re-read the situation. CHQ is flying for AA because CHQ flew for TWA, and the contract carried over after the purchase. CHQ never underbid Eagle for flying. CHQ did reduce it's compensation rates with AA, but that also coincided with a reduction in planes flying for AA. CHQ did not increase it's flying for AA through reducing costs, and pilots did not take any pay cuts as a result of the lower reimbursement rates from AA.
Frontier, this is your future.
09-19-2009 | 03:22 PM
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He's not going to be a fun person to fly with when he becomes a CHQ FO.
While the entire demise of Midwest is lamentable, blaming it on the RAH pilots is misdirected fire.
The problem, in order of "blame" is:
1. Airline Deregulation Act of 1978
2. Modern corporate ethics and business practices
3. Midwest management
4. RAH management
Only a pilot who expects another pilot to quit in his place would blame that pilot for doing as directed. I don't see Bearz crying about all those United, NWA and other major airline jobs "lost" when the legacies pulled out of markets MW was successfully able to exploit after Deregulation nor should he. It isn't his fault as a Midwest pilot what airline investors and managers legally do in the name of competitive business practices.
While the entire demise of Midwest is lamentable, blaming it on the RAH pilots is misdirected fire.
The problem, in order of "blame" is:
1. Airline Deregulation Act of 1978
2. Modern corporate ethics and business practices
3. Midwest management
4. RAH management
Only a pilot who expects another pilot to quit in his place would blame that pilot for doing as directed. I don't see Bearz crying about all those United, NWA and other major airline jobs "lost" when the legacies pulled out of markets MW was successfully able to exploit after Deregulation nor should he. It isn't his fault as a Midwest pilot what airline investors and managers legally do in the name of competitive business practices.
09-19-2009 | 04:30 PM
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From: Downwind, headed straight for the rocks, shanghaied aboard the ship of fools.
Boo hoo hoo. Capitalism sucks! I'm taking my binky and going home. Boo hoo hoo.
09-19-2009 | 05:01 PM
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I think they want to integrate Frontier rather quickly as soon as the deal is finalized.
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